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Unruh wrote:
> Rick <none@nomail.com> writes:
> 
>> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 05:45:54 +0000, Unruh wrote:
> 
>>> caver1 <caver@inthemud.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Unruh wrote:
>>>>> Rick <none@nomail.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 22:21:46 +0100, dennis@home wrote:
>>>>>>> "Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:G%tSi.22040$GO5.20439@edtnps90...
>>>>>>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:fzrSi.22002$GO5.6664@edtnps90...
>>>>>>>>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:%23QMATTYEIHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>> 8<
>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway we will forget licenses as that is irrelevant. Having
>>>>>>>>>>> downloaded Ubuntu 7.10 and finally got it to start installing I
>>>>>>>>>>> notice that I get the same warning screen (identical AFAICS) if
>>>>>>>>>>> I select use
>>>>>>>>>>> the whole disk or if I select use the biggest free space.
>>>>>>>>>>> The partition tables of the following devices are changed: SCSI1
>>>>>>>>>>> (0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>>>>>>>> The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition #1
>>>>>>>>>>> of SCSI1(,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as
>>>>>>>>>>> swap <<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>>>>>> For use entire disk
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> The partition tables of the following devices are changed: SCSI1
>>>>>>>>>>> (0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>>>>>>>> The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition #1
>>>>>>>>>>> of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>>>>>>>> as swap <<<<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>>>>>> For use largest free space.
>>>>>>>>>>> One will erase my windows server 2008 one won't. Does anyone
>>>>>>>>>>> still think the warnings are OK?
>>>>>>>>>> The problem is NOT there. There problem is when the partitions
>>>>>>>>>> were created. Once they have been createdi so as to cover your
>>>>>>>>>> Win partition, the ball game is over.
>>>>>>>>>> The place that the warning should occur is when you tell it to
>>>>>>>>>> use the whole disk.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As they are the warnings they are the problem. There may be a need
>>>>>>>>> for more warnings or just a better partitioner but that is an
>>>>>>>>> addition.
>>>>>>>> No. Once you have repartitioned the disk, the data from you win
>>>>>>>> partition is gone. defunct, non-existant. formatting the disk is
>>>>>>>> irrelevant. It was the repartitioning that destroyed the windows
>>>>>>>> data. (Yes, I know that the data is still there and that IF you
>>>>>>>> managed to repartition the disk again to exactly the same as it was
>>>>>>>> before, you could recover the data, but that is largely irrelevant
>>>>>>>> to almost all users. It is the partitioning that destroys the
>>>>>>>> ability to access the data). Thus if there is no warning on the
>>>>>>>> repartitioning then that is where the problem lies.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Linux sets up the partitions in ram, then asks a few more questions
>>>>>>> and then applies the changes.
>>>>>> No, the user applies the changes.
>>>>>>> It is at the point just before it applies the changes that it puts
>>>>>>> up the warning about destroying data.
>>>>>>> If you abort no changes are made (or none are supposed to be made, I
>>>>>>> have not checked myself).
>>>>>>> Its just that the warnings are inadequate for the majority of users
>>>>>>> and in the case of Ubuntu 7.10 wrong.
>>>>>> Then maybe those users should not be installing operating systems.
>>>>> Oh nuts. Linux can ONLY be installed by users. It is (almost)
>>>>> impossible to find Linux preinstalled. Thus the installation routing
>>>>> needs to be set up to allow installation by users. If the installer
>>>>> does not give adequate warning that things are going to be destroyed,
>>>>> it is the fault of the installer. It is a bug. I have no idea what
>>>>> warnings Ubuntu 7.1 gives and whether or not they are adequate.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> If you have no idea whether they are adequate or not, or even if they
>>>> are given or not, how can you even comment?
>>> I just did. and if you read it, you notice I was commenting on the
>>> previous comment not giving facts about Ubuntu. Notice also the
>>> conditional (If) I seems from various comments that it does NOT give
>>> adequate warning, and the warning that was posted was certainly well
>>> beyond the point at which a warning should have been given. Do you have
>>> more information about what the warning actually is?
> 
>> There have been at least 2 screenshots posted.
> 
>> The original poster's:
>> <http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32522/2001738602340396146_rs.jpg>
> 
> And the first gives only two choices, guided and use the whole disk, or
> manual. I am sorry, that is a bug, if that disk contained a previously
> installed system. Note that the kubuntu one below specifically asks if you
> want to resize the prior windows partition and use the freed space. Note
> also that if it detects Vista, it should tell you to go and use the Vista
> resizer instead, since then it is MS fault, and because MS at least knows
> what the specs are for their NTFS, which they have refused to release to
> anyone else. 
> 
> And note that under Ubuntu, if you choose the whole disk it does NOT say
> that this will destroy all data on that disk. This is an inadequate
> warning. This is a bug, and the OP had every right to be upset. 
> 


And how are you going to use the whole disk and 
not destroy the data already
on there? This has been a fact since the DOS DAYS.
CAVER1