🚀 go-pugleaf

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 10:36:58 -0400, caver1 wrote:

> Rick wrote:
>> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 09:18:14 -0400, caver1 wrote:
>> 
>>> Unruh wrote:
>>>> caver1 <caver@inthemud.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Unruh wrote:
>>>>>> Rick <none@nomail.com> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 22:21:46 +0100, dennis@home wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:G%tSi.22040$GO5.20439@edtnps90...
>>>>>>>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:fzrSi.22002$GO5.6664@edtnps90...
>>>>>>>>>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:%23QMATTYEIHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... 8< Anyway we
>>>>>>>>>>>> will forget licenses as that is irrelevant. Having downloaded
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu 7.10 and finally got it to start installing I notice
>>>>>>>>>>>> that I get the same warning screen (identical AFAICS) if I
>>>>>>>>>>>> select use
>>>>>>>>>>>> the whole disk or if I select use the biggest free space. The
>>>>>>>>>>>> partition tables of the following devices are changed: SCSI1
>>>>>>>>>>>> (0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>>>>>>>>> The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition
>>>>>>>>>>>> #1 of SCSI1(,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of
>>>>>>>>>>>> SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap <<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>>>>>>> For use entire disk
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> The partition tables of the following devices are changed:
>>>>>>>>>>>> SCSI1 (0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>>>>>>>>> The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition
>>>>>>>>>>>> #1 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of
>>>>>>>>>>>> SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap <<<<<<<<<<< For use largest free
>>>>>>>>>>>> space.
>>>>>>>>>>>> One will erase my windows server 2008 one won't. Does anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>> still think the warnings are OK?
>>>>>>>>>>> The problem is NOT there. There problem is when the partitions
>>>>>>>>>>> were created. Once they have been createdi so as to cover your
>>>>>>>>>>> Win partition, the ball game is over. The place that the
>>>>>>>>>>> warning should occur is when you tell it to use the whole
>>>>>>>>>>> disk.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As they are the warnings they are the problem. There may be a
>>>>>>>>>> need for more warnings or just a better partitioner but that is
>>>>>>>>>> an addition.
>>>>>>>>> No. Once you have repartitioned the disk, the data from you win
>>>>>>>>> partition is gone. defunct, non-existant. formatting the disk is
>>>>>>>>> irrelevant. It was the repartitioning that destroyed the windows
>>>>>>>>> data. (Yes, I know that the data is still there and that IF you
>>>>>>>>> managed to repartition the disk again to exactly the same as it
>>>>>>>>> was before, you could recover the data, but that is largely
>>>>>>>>> irrelevant to almost all users. It is the partitioning that
>>>>>>>>> destroys the ability to access the data). Thus if there is no
>>>>>>>>> warning on the repartitioning then that is where the problem
>>>>>>>>> lies.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Linux sets up the partitions in ram, then asks a few more
>>>>>>>> questions and then applies the changes.
>>>>>>> No, the user applies the changes.
>>>>>>>> It is at the point just before it applies the changes that it
>>>>>>>> puts up the warning about destroying data. If you abort no
>>>>>>>> changes are made (or none are supposed to be made, I have not
>>>>>>>> checked myself).
>>>>>>>> Its just that the warnings are inadequate for the majority of
>>>>>>>> users and in the case of Ubuntu 7.10 wrong.
>>>>>>> Then maybe those users should not be installing operating systems.
>>>>>> Oh nuts. Linux can ONLY be installed by users. It is (almost)
>>>>>> impossible to find Linux preinstalled. Thus the installation
>>>>>> routing needs to be set up to allow installation by users. If the
>>>>>> installer does not give adequate warning that things are going to
>>>>>> be destroyed, it is the fault of the installer. It is a bug. I have
>>>>>> no idea what warnings Ubuntu 7.1 gives and whether or not they are
>>>>>> adequate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> If you have no idea whether they are adequate or not, or even if
>>>>> they are given or not, how can you even comment?
>>>> I just did. and if you read it, you notice I was commenting on the
>>>> previous comment not giving facts about Ubuntu. Notice also the
>>>> conditional (If) I seems from various comments that it does NOT give
>>>> adequate warning, and the warning that was posted was certainly well
>>>> beyond the point at which a warning should have been given. Do you
>>>> have more information about what the warning actually is?
>>>
>>> Here is a quote as I haven't figured out how to get a screen shot in
>>> here,
>>>      "If you continue,the changes listed below
>>> will be written to the
>>> disks. Otherwise, you will be able to make further changes manually.
>>>
>>> Warning:  This will destroy all data on any partition you have removed
>>> as well as on the partitions that are going to be formatted.
>>> ................................
>>> Write the changes to disk?"
>>>
>>> caver1
>> 
>> There are several web sites that allow you to post pictures. You could
>> get an account, post screen shots there, and post a url.
>> 
> 
> Its not really worth getting another account somewhere just to refute
> someones
> constant "what if".
> What if the world was flat. Just because you say it isn't why should I
> believe you?
> After all I'm blind and can't see it for myself. caver1

I was just making a suggestion ...



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Rick