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Rick wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 10:36:58 -0400, caver1 wrote:
> 
>> Rick wrote:
>>> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 09:18:14 -0400, caver1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Unruh wrote:
>>>>> caver1 <caver@inthemud.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Unruh wrote:
>>>>>>> Rick <none@nomail.com> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 22:21:46 +0100, dennis@home wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:G%tSi.22040$GO5.20439@edtnps90...
>>>>>>>>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:fzrSi.22002$GO5.6664@edtnps90...
>>>>>>>>>>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:%23QMATTYEIHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... 8< Anyway we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will forget licenses as that is irrelevant. Having downloaded
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu 7.10 and finally got it to start installing I notice
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I get the same warning screen (identical AFAICS) if I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> select use
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the whole disk or if I select use the biggest free space. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>> partition tables of the following devices are changed: SCSI1
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition
>>>>>>>>>>>>> #1 of SCSI1(,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap <<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For use entire disk
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The partition tables of the following devices are changed:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> SCSI1 (0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition
>>>>>>>>>>>>> #1 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap <<<<<<<<<<< For use largest free
>>>>>>>>>>>>> space.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> One will erase my windows server 2008 one won't. Does anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>> still think the warnings are OK?
>>>>>>>>>>>> The problem is NOT there. There problem is when the partitions
>>>>>>>>>>>> were created. Once they have been createdi so as to cover your
>>>>>>>>>>>> Win partition, the ball game is over. The place that the
>>>>>>>>>>>> warning should occur is when you tell it to use the whole
>>>>>>>>>>>> disk.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As they are the warnings they are the problem. There may be a
>>>>>>>>>>> need for more warnings or just a better partitioner but that is
>>>>>>>>>>> an addition.
>>>>>>>>>> No. Once you have repartitioned the disk, the data from you win
>>>>>>>>>> partition is gone. defunct, non-existant. formatting the disk is
>>>>>>>>>> irrelevant. It was the repartitioning that destroyed the windows
>>>>>>>>>> data. (Yes, I know that the data is still there and that IF you
>>>>>>>>>> managed to repartition the disk again to exactly the same as it
>>>>>>>>>> was before, you could recover the data, but that is largely
>>>>>>>>>> irrelevant to almost all users. It is the partitioning that
>>>>>>>>>> destroys the ability to access the data). Thus if there is no
>>>>>>>>>> warning on the repartitioning then that is where the problem
>>>>>>>>>> lies.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Linux sets up the partitions in ram, then asks a few more
>>>>>>>>> questions and then applies the changes.
>>>>>>>> No, the user applies the changes.
>>>>>>>>> It is at the point just before it applies the changes that it
>>>>>>>>> puts up the warning about destroying data. If you abort no
>>>>>>>>> changes are made (or none are supposed to be made, I have not
>>>>>>>>> checked myself).
>>>>>>>>> Its just that the warnings are inadequate for the majority of
>>>>>>>>> users and in the case of Ubuntu 7.10 wrong.
>>>>>>>> Then maybe those users should not be installing operating systems.
>>>>>>> Oh nuts. Linux can ONLY be installed by users. It is (almost)
>>>>>>> impossible to find Linux preinstalled. Thus the installation
>>>>>>> routing needs to be set up to allow installation by users. If the
>>>>>>> installer does not give adequate warning that things are going to
>>>>>>> be destroyed, it is the fault of the installer. It is a bug. I have
>>>>>>> no idea what warnings Ubuntu 7.1 gives and whether or not they are
>>>>>>> adequate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have no idea whether they are adequate or not, or even if
>>>>>> they are given or not, how can you even comment?
>>>>> I just did. and if you read it, you notice I was commenting on the
>>>>> previous comment not giving facts about Ubuntu. Notice also the
>>>>> conditional (If) I seems from various comments that it does NOT give
>>>>> adequate warning, and the warning that was posted was certainly well
>>>>> beyond the point at which a warning should have been given. Do you
>>>>> have more information about what the warning actually is?
>>>> Here is a quote as I haven't figured out how to get a screen shot in
>>>> here,
>>>>      "If you continue,the changes listed below
>>>> will be written to the
>>>> disks. Otherwise, you will be able to make further changes manually.
>>>>
>>>> Warning:  This will destroy all data on any partition you have removed
>>>> as well as on the partitions that are going to be formatted.
>>>> ................................
>>>> Write the changes to disk?"
>>>>
>>>> caver1
>>> There are several web sites that allow you to post pictures. You could
>>> get an account, post screen shots there, and post a url.
>>>
>> Its not really worth getting another account somewhere just to refute
>> someones
>> constant "what if".
>> What if the world was flat. Just because you say it isn't why should I
>> believe you?
>> After all I'm blind and can't see it for myself. caver1
> 
> I was just making a suggestion ...
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Appreciated.    :)
caver1