🚀 go-pugleaf

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 01:03:24 +0000, Unruh wrote:

> Rick <none@nomail.com> writes:
> 
>>On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 22:21:46 +0100, dennis@home wrote:
> 
>>> "Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:G%tSi.22040$GO5.20439@edtnps90...
>>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>news:fzrSi.22002$GO5.6664@edtnps90...
>>>>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:%23QMATTYEIHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>8<
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Anyway we will forget licenses as that is irrelevant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Having downloaded Ubuntu 7.10 and finally got it to start
>>>>>>>installing I notice that I get the same warning screen (identical
>>>>>>>AFAICS) if I select use
>>>>>>>the whole disk or if I select use the biggest free space.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The partition tables of the following devices are changed: SCSI1
>>>>>>>(0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition #1 of
>>>>>>>SCSI1(,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap
>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>For use entire disk
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The partition tables of the following devices are changed: SCSI1
>>>>>>>(0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition #1 of
>>>>>>>SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap
>>>>>>
>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>For use largest free space.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>One will erase my windows server 2008 one won't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Does anyone still think the warnings are OK?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The problem is NOT there. There problem is when the partitions were
>>>>>> created. Once they have been createdi so as to cover your Win
>>>>>> partition, the ball game is over.
>>>>>> The place that the warning should occur is when you tell it to use
>>>>>> the whole disk.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>As they are the warnings they are the problem. There may be a need
>>>>>for more warnings or just a better partitioner but that is an
>>>>>addition.
>>>>
>>>> No. Once you have repartitioned the disk, the data from you win
>>>> partition is gone. defunct, non-existant. formatting the disk is
>>>> irrelevant. It was the repartitioning that destroyed the windows
>>>> data. (Yes, I know that the data is still there and that IF you
>>>> managed to repartition the disk again to exactly the same as it was
>>>> before, you could recover the data, but that is largely irrelevant to
>>>> almost all users. It is the partitioning that destroys the ability to
>>>> access the data). Thus if there is no warning on the repartitioning
>>>> then that is where the problem lies.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Linux sets up the partitions in ram, then asks a few more questions
>>> and then applies the changes.
> 
>>No, the user applies the changes.
> 
>>> It is at the point just before it applies the changes that it puts up
>>> the warning about destroying data.
>>> If you abort no changes are made (or none are supposed to be made, I
>>> have not checked myself).
>>> Its just that the warnings are inadequate for the majority of users
>>> and in the case of Ubuntu 7.10 wrong.
> 
>>Then maybe those users should not be installing operating systems.
> 
> Oh nuts. Linux can ONLY be installed by users. 

IMO, it can easily be installed by most computer literate users. Those 
users that shouldn't be installing LInux, also shouldn't be installing 
Windows and maybe not even MacOS.

> It is (almost) impossible to find Linux preinstalled. 

Well, there is Dell, if you look hard.  :-)

> Thus the installation routing needs to be
> set up to allow installation by users. If the installer does not give
> adequate warning that things are going to be destroyed, it is the fault
> of the installer. It is a bug. I have no idea what warnings Ubuntu 7.1
> gives and whether or not they are adequate.

There have been screen shots posted in this thread.

> 
> The user does NOT apply the changes. The user at best agrees to allow
> the system to apply those changes.

OK, the user makes the decision.

> At worst he has no choice, other than the choice to install.

The user has a number of choices. Go install Ubuntu somewhere.



-- 
Rick