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Stephan Rose wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:25:09 +0100, dennis@home wrote:
> 
>> "Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message
>> news:yqqdneUOjLVLuojanZ2dnUVZ8s3inZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:02:16 +0100, dennis@home wrote:
>>>
>>>> "lee h" <noti@domain.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:MM7Ri.10622$lD6.5170@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
>>>>> rodolfo.garcia44@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C:
>>>>>>> was lost.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> For the simplest Ubuntu install on a windows box, use Wubi (Windows
>>>>> Ubuntu Installer).
>>>> Its a bit too late for that.
>>>> The lack of a suitable warning has made sure another potential Linux
>>>> user will stick with something else.
>>>> This is the problem with Linux .. it is written by geeks who have no
>>>> idea how simple it has to be for the mass market. Windows would have
>>>> warned the user at least twice before removing a Linux partition and
>>>> that would be after selecting the partition and saying delete.
>>> Oh come on Dennis...
>>>
>>> What part about "Guided - Use entire disk" is difficult to understand?
>>> I mean it frigging says "entire disk" right next to it!!!
>> Well that assumes the installer knows what a disk is to start with. If
>> they select manual then they get presented with even more problems.
> 
> Someone that does NOT KNOW what a disk is has absolutely no business 
> installing an operating system. Windows included because you also have to 
> know what a disk and a partition is to install windows!
> 
> Else, how would one choose the appropriate disk/partition when installing 
> windows if one doesn't even know what that is?
> 
>>> How can you blame the OS Installer if the user is incapable of reading
>>> the whole sentence?
>>>
>>> Also, the Ubuntu installer will show a list of partition / file system
>>> changes it makes to what drives and what partition that the user has to
>>> OK before actually doing it.
>>>
>>> So you can't even accidentally click continue and overwrite the system.
>>> You need to do so twice.
>> At no time does it actually tell the user that the data on their system
>> will be lost if they proceed.
> 
> Really?
> 
> http://fosswire.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/
> ubuntufeistyinstallpicture-8.png
> 
> Same URL tiny:
> http://tinyurl.com/2qc234
> 
> Then please explain to me the meaning of this sentence on the screenshot 
> above:
> 
> "WARNING: This will destroy all data on any partitions you have removed 
> as well as on the partitions that are going to be formatted."
> 
>> As I said before Linux expects the user to know too much. It was written
>> by geeks who either don't understand the target audience or don't expect
>> Linux to be used by the masses.
> 
> It isn't too much to expect someone to know how their computer works if 
> they're going to install an OPERATING SYSTEM on it. Installing an OS 
> isn't installing notepad for crying out loud! And this is no different 
> installing Vista or XP!
> 
>>> Also, how is this different from installing XP or Vista?
>>>
>>> Last time I checked, XP and Vista also give you just a list of drives /
>>> partitions and you just go pick one to install on, or you can manually
>>> configure the partitions. How is that any different? Except of course
>>> Vista or XP don't ask a second time just to make sure you didn't make a
>>> mistake. I suppose that is one difference.
>> Except that they will not remove the data from a partition without
>> warning the user unlike what you state above. Also if you were truthful
>> you would admit that Vista and XP ask twice before removing a partition
>> and tell the user that it may contain data that will be lost if they do.
>> It even asks twice before it will format one. I suggest you dig out you
>> windows disks and try an install as you appear to have forgotten what it
>> does.
> 
> Allright fair enough. I honestly try to avoid installing Windows as much 
> as possible as I don't like calling India for activation. So windows does 
> ask twice. Come to think of it, I think I now recall what you are 
> referring to. I stand corrected there, no problem. 
> 
> So ultimately it now comes down to that the Windows Install procedure is 
> identical to the Ubuntu Install procedure.
> 
> - Choose time / keyboard / localization settings.
> - Choose disk / partition.
> - Install.
> 
> The only differences may be the order in which the questions are asked, 
> bid deal...that isn't of any relevance.
> 

My first reaction to the OP was "What's not to understand about 'Use 
Entire Disk'?", but after further thought I could see the possible 
confusion. Using the entire disk really is different from formatting the 
entire disk. And introducing "sda" etc. nomenclature compounds the 
feeling that the "C: drive" will be safe.

I also seem to remember there was another option (Guided - shrink 
existing partitions? Or maybe that's 7.10 only). The "Manual" option 
certainly adopts different language altogether.

Given the ability to read and write NTFS, I don't know why there isn't 
an option to "Use existing partitions". Essentially Windows installs 
default to this. It would require fixing the historical aberration of 
requiring a separate partition for the swap space, but that would be a 
good thing anyway.