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UBUNTU HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WINDOWS XP. For gawds sake quit 
posting about it on this NG.
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"Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message 
news:tWKSi.24082$G25.11445@edtnps89...
> caver1 <caver@inthemud.com> writes:
>
>>Unruh wrote:
>>> caver1 <caver@inthemud.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Unruh wrote:
>>>>> Rick <none@nomail.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 22:21:46 +0100, dennis@home wrote:
>>>>>>> "Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:G%tSi.22040$GO5.20439@edtnps90...
>>>>>>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:fzrSi.22002$GO5.6664@edtnps90...
>>>>>>>>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:%23QMATTYEIHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>> 8<
>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway we will forget licenses as that is 
>>>>>>>>>>> irrelevant.
>>>>>>>>>>> Having downloaded Ubuntu 7.10 and finally got it to 
>>>>>>>>>>> start installing
>>>>>>>>>>> I notice that I get the same warning screen 
>>>>>>>>>>> (identical AFAICS) if I
>>>>>>>>>>> select use
>>>>>>>>>>> the whole disk or if I select use the biggest free 
>>>>>>>>>>> space.
>>>>>>>>>>> The partition tables of the following devices are 
>>>>>>>>>>> changed: SCSI1
>>>>>>>>>>> (0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>>>>>>>> The following partitions are going to be formatted: 
>>>>>>>>>>> partition #1 of
>>>>>>>>>>> SCSI1(,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of 
>>>>>>>>>>> SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap
>>>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>>>>>> For use entire disk
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> The partition tables of the following devices are 
>>>>>>>>>>> changed: SCSI1
>>>>>>>>>>> (0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>>>>>>>> The following partitions are going to be formatted: 
>>>>>>>>>>> partition #1 of
>>>>>>>>>>> SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of 
>>>>>>>>>>> SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap
>>>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>>>>>> For use largest free space.
>>>>>>>>>>> One will erase my windows server 2008 one won't.
>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone still think the warnings are OK?
>>>>>>>>>> The problem is NOT there. There problem is when the 
>>>>>>>>>> partitions were
>>>>>>>>>> created. Once they have been createdi so as to cover 
>>>>>>>>>> your Win
>>>>>>>>>> partition, the ball game is over.
>>>>>>>>>> The place that the warning should occur is when you 
>>>>>>>>>> tell it to use
>>>>>>>>>> the whole disk.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As they are the warnings they are the problem. There 
>>>>>>>>> may be a need for
>>>>>>>>> more warnings or just a better partitioner but that
>>>>>>>>> is an addition.
>>>>>>>> No. Once you have repartitioned the disk, the data from 
>>>>>>>> you win
>>>>>>>> partition is gone. defunct, non-existant. formatting 
>>>>>>>> the disk is
>>>>>>>> irrelevant. It was the repartitioning that destroyed 
>>>>>>>> the windows data.
>>>>>>>> (Yes, I know that the data is still there and that IF 
>>>>>>>> you managed to
>>>>>>>> repartition the disk again to exactly the same as it 
>>>>>>>> was before, you
>>>>>>>> could recover the data, but that is largely irrelevant 
>>>>>>>> to almost all
>>>>>>>> users. It is the partitioning that destroys the ability 
>>>>>>>> to access the
>>>>>>>> data). Thus if there is no warning on the 
>>>>>>>> repartitioning then that is
>>>>>>>> where the problem lies.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Linux sets up the partitions in ram, then asks a few 
>>>>>>> more questions and
>>>>>>> then applies the changes.
>>>>>> No, the user applies the changes.
>>>>>>> It is at the point just before it applies the changes 
>>>>>>> that it puts up
>>>>>>> the warning about destroying data.
>>>>>>> If you abort no changes are made (or none are supposed 
>>>>>>> to be made, I
>>>>>>> have not checked myself).
>>>>>>> Its just that the warnings are inadequate for the 
>>>>>>> majority of users and
>>>>>>> in the case of Ubuntu 7.10 wrong.
>>>>>> Then maybe those users should not be installing operating 
>>>>>> systems.
>>>>> Oh nuts. Linux can ONLY be installed by users. It is 
>>>>> (almost) impossible to
>>>>> find Linux preinstalled. Thus the installation routing 
>>>>> needs to be set up
>>>>> to allow installation by users. If the installer does not 
>>>>> give adequate
>>>>> warning that things are going to be destroyed, it is the 
>>>>> fault of the
>>>>> installer. It is a bug. I have no idea what warnings 
>>>>> Ubuntu 7.1 gives and
>>>>> whether or not they are adequate.
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> If you have no idea whether they are adequate or
>>>> not, or even if they are given or not,
>>>> how can you even comment?
>>>
>>> I just did. and if you read it, you notice I was commenting 
>>> on the previous
>>> comment not giving facts about Ubuntu. Notice also the 
>>> conditional (If) I
>>> seems from various comments that it does NOT give adequate 
>>> warning, and the
>>> warning that was posted was certainly well beyond the point 
>>> at which a
>>> warning should have been given. Do you have more information 
>>> about what the
>>> warning actually is?
>
>
>>Here is a quote as I haven't figured out how to
>>get a screen shot in here,
>>     "If you continue,the changes listed below
>>will be written to the
>>disks. Otherwise, you will be able to make further
>>changes manually.
>
>>Warning:  This will destroy all data on any
>>partition you have removed as well as on the
>>partitions that are going to be formatted.
>>................................
>>Write the changes to disk?"
>
>>caver1
>
>
> I believe that occurs during the formatting, not the selection 
> of
> partitions. And the warning is generic. It comes up if you 
> placed
> partitions onto a completely empty disk, as well as one that 
> was previously
> partitioned. The system KNOWS if the disk had previous 
> partitions on it. It
> is at that point that the system should warn you, not after it 
> has
> repartitioned the disk. It especially KNOWS if there were NTFS 
> partitions
> on the disk previously. That is when it should give the 
> warning. IF the
> user selects manaul repartitioning, the system may well assume 
> that he
> knows what he is doing. If the system automatically 
> repartitions the disk
> for the user, the system should assume that the person's grasp 
> of
> partitioning is weak and be extra careful to give warnings, 
> and not generic
> idiotic warnings like the above, which you get if you 
> partition a brand new
> completely blank disk.
>
> I believe that the OP stated that the Ubuntu people have 
> admitted that the
> lack of warning is a bug. If there is a lack of warning at the
> repartitioning stage, then that IS a bug.
>
>