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> > I want to read my email with a non-ppp-cabable [ x286 ] device.
> 
> Alexander Clouter wrote:-
> not going to happen.   You ISP will use PPP to encapsulate the data.
>   If you
> 'cannot' use PPP I am guessing you also cannot speak 'IP' which is
> what the
> Internet speaks.   You cannot, correct me if I wrong about what you
> are trying
> to do, simply fire up your favourite serial console software and
> connect
> directly to your mailserver(s).   You know you will have to speak
> POP3/IMAP/SMTP too by hand?
> 
Well since this previous post I can get the ISP's 'help menu'.
Previously I've modified my mail-client based on the RFC,
 and like in the BBS days, macr-keys/simple-scripts will do the
 'by hand'.

Perhaps where I'm mistaken and will fail is that the mail-server 
is not located at the login-site, so I DO need ppp. 
Perhaps I'm thinking too much ito. BBSs ?

> > The trace below shows what minicom sees when I dial in:---
> 
> > CONNECT 28800/ARQ/V34/LAPM/V42BIS
> > Checking authorization, Please wait...
> > username:2nm4nx6x@za
> > password:       <-- doesn't echo == OK
> Not surprising, by that point the modem is no longer in the loop and
> its no
> longer responding directly to you.   There is nothing but you at your
> keyboard
> and your ISP's login script.
> 
No. For 'security' it's standard that the password is not echoed.

> > cas4-rba>ls   <--- input tried= ls
> >                ^
> > % Invalid input detected at '^' marker.
> 
> > cas4-rba>   <--- this is it's "echo/prompt"
>======================
> tastes like a chatscript, and its not going to let you type UNIX
> shell commands into it.
> 
> > So now I need to findout what are valid inputs.
> > How do I start talking to the ISP ?
> > What is the valid syntax ?

No. Each ISP can use any OS.  I'm guessing mine uses Novell ?
They just tell their clients how to login/connect.
It's not RFC determined.

> RFC's[1] are your only hope if you are determined to do it this way,
> I bet  you quickly decide "erm....maybe not" :P   Just strap pppd 
> to the serial
> console and forget about it.   Whats wrong with using a computer fully
> blown
> to just check your mail I do not know.   "Oh its too slow", you need a
> better
> email client....look for 'pine' and/or 'mutt'.
> 
No, if you're in a situation where you need a parachute, you don't
want advice to buy a chevrolet.
I've got adequate desktop client[s], but need a portable backup for 
when my telco-line goes OO.
================
Tauno Voipio wrote:-

> If you're running a DOS-vintage Windows (3.1)
> on the '286, the way to go for TCP/IP is called
> Trumpet Winsock. Google for it.

OK, that would fix another problem I've got:
a 486 notebook with Win3.1 installed which used to connect
nicely to an ISP, before W95 came out and the ISP said I had to
'upgrade to W95' [so I changed to linux].

Recently I looked into the old scripts of the Trumpet Winsock,
and found that they 'first login: ID & password' instead of the
'modern' first ppp then PAP.    So I've been googling to get the
software [ppp & PAP] for Win3.1.

I think the previous/old Win3.1 setup used slip ?

Thanks,

== Chris Glur.