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In demon.ip.support.unix Hubertus A. Haniel <hubertus@haniel.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: Can somebody point me to the right direction on where to find info on
: setting up a multilink?
: I would like to use two phone lines and to modems to dial my ISP with a
: higher bandwith.
: Cheers

AIUI, and I've heard no announcement contrary to this, demon don't support this.


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Well looks like demon does as my friend did it with Win98.
I havent had a chance to do it with my Win98 as I have and IRQ conflict
there with the com ports.

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Ian Stirling <000035982F44.NO_UCE@mauve.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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>In demon.ip.support.unix Hubertus A. Haniel
<hubertus@haniel.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>: Can somebody point me to the right direction on where to find info on
>: setting up a multilink?
>: I would like to use two phone lines and to modems to dial my ISP with
a
>: higher bandwith.
>: Cheers
>
>AIUI, and I've heard no announcement contrary to this, demon don't
support this.
>
>
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bits sale.
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Stirling.
>Lord, grant me the serenity to accept that I cannot change, the
>courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies
>of those I had to kill because they pissed me off.       Random
>

"Hubertus A. Haniel" <hubertus@haniel.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Ian Stirling <000035982F44.NO_UCE@mauve.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>Hubertus A. Haniel <hubertus@haniel.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>:
>>: Can somebody point me to the right direction on where to find info
>>: on setting up a multilink? I would like to use two phone lines and
>>: to modems to dial my ISP with a higher bandwith.
>>
>>AIUI, and I've heard no announcement contrary to this, demon don't
>>support this.
>
>Well looks like demon does as my friend did it with Win98. I havent
>had a chance to do it with my Win98 as I have and IRQ conflict there
>with the com ports.

You cannot use multilink with Demon. When a login happens, any
existing call for the same nodename loses routeing, because it is
redirected to the new call. If you then drop the first call, the
second call will lose routeing, because you have logged out.

Tony.
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In article <899283710.14732.0.nnrp-01.c30b3753@news.demon.co.uk>, Tony
Finch <fanf@demon.net> writes
>You cannot use multilink with Demon. When a login happens, any
>existing call for the same nodename loses routeing, because it is
>redirected to the new call. If you then drop the first call, the
>second call will lose routeing, because you have logged out.

Am I right in quessing that you could still send packages out via the
'dead' connection... Could be useful for long uploads. Not that I have
two lines, like.

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In article <aVH8IHAhElm1EwOR@thefree.net>,
David James Spillett  <DJSpillett@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>In article <899283710.14732.0.nnrp-01.c30b3753@news.demon.co.uk>, Tony
>Finch <fanf@demon.net> writes
>>You cannot use multilink with Demon. When a login happens, any
>>existing call for the same nodename loses routeing, because it is
>>redirected to the new call. If you then drop the first call, the
>>second call will lose routeing, because you have logged out.
>
>Am I right in quessing that you could still send packages out via the
>'dead' connection... Could be useful for long uploads. Not that I have
>two lines, like.
Nope. TCP is a connection-oriented transport. For each packet, there is a confirmation packet sent back. The ftp client will fail.

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In article <Evou8x.8vG@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>,
Michael Brown <m2brown@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>In article <aVH8IHAhElm1EwOR@thefree.net>,
>David James Spillett  <DJSpillett@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>In article <899283710.14732.0.nnrp-01.c30b3753@news.demon.co.uk>, Tony
>>Finch <fanf@demon.net> writes
>>>You cannot use multilink with Demon. When a login happens, any
>>>existing call for the same nodename loses routeing, because it is
>>>redirected to the new call. If you then drop the first call, the
>>>second call will lose routeing, because you have logged out.
>>
>>Am I right in quessing that you could still send packages out via the
>>'dead' connection... Could be useful for long uploads. Not that I have
>>two lines, like.
>Nope. TCP is a connection-oriented transport.

True, but there's no requirement for it to be a connection via a single
route.  It's perfectly possible (although very unlikely) to have a TCP
connection where no two IP packets follow the same route from A to B.

>For each packet, there is a confirmation packet sent back.

Correct, but the confirmation packet doesn't have to go back the same
way as the original came.

>The ftp client will fail.

Probably, but not for the reasons stated.

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In mygroup.misc Michael Brown <m2brown@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
: In article <aVH8IHAhElm1EwOR@thefree.net>,
: David James Spillett  <DJSpillett@bigfoot.com> wrote:
:>In article <899283710.14732.0.nnrp-01.c30b3753@news.demon.co.uk>, Tony
:>Finch <fanf@demon.net> writes
:>>You cannot use multilink with Demon. When a login happens, any
:>>existing call for the same nodename loses routeing, because it is
:>>redirected to the new call. If you then drop the first call, the
:>>second call will lose routeing, because you have logged out.
:>
:>Am I right in quessing that you could still send packages out via the
:>'dead' connection... Could be useful for long uploads. Not that I have
:>two lines, like.
: Nope. TCP is a connection-oriented transport. For each packet, there is a confirmation packet sent back. The ftp client will fail.

Not if the inbound packets are routed via the other modem.

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In article <6nregk$pe9$1@polo.demon.co.uk>,  <john@polo.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <Evou8x.8vG@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>,
>Michael Brown <m2brown@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>>In article <aVH8IHAhElm1EwOR@thefree.net>,
>>David James Spillett  <DJSpillett@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>>In article <899283710.14732.0.nnrp-01.c30b3753@news.demon.co.uk>, Tony
>>>Finch <fanf@demon.net> writes
>>>>You cannot use multilink with Demon. When a login happens, any
>>>>existing call for the same nodename loses routeing, because it is
>>>>redirected to the new call. If you then drop the first call, the
>>>>second call will lose routeing, because you have logged out.
>>>
>>>Am I right in quessing that you could still send packages out via the
>>>'dead' connection... Could be useful for long uploads. Not that I have
>>>two lines, like.
>>Nope. TCP is a connection-oriented transport.
>
>True, but there's no requirement for it to be a connection via a single
>route.  It's perfectly possible (although very unlikely) to have a TCP
>connection where no two IP packets follow the same route from A to B.
>
>>For each packet, there is a confirmation packet sent back.
>
>Correct, but the confirmation packet doesn't have to go back the same
>way as the original came.
>
>>The ftp client will fail.
>
>Probably, but not for the reasons stated.

When I said that - I imagined that that the first line would have a
different IP than the second. If you can tweak the first connection to
send out IP packets with a source IP for the second line, it should
work fine. In theory. :-)
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In article <899283710.14732.0.nnrp-01.c30b3753@news.demon.co.uk>,
Tony Finch  <fanf@demon.net> wrote:
> 
> You cannot use multilink with Demon. When a login happens, any
> existing call for the same nodename loses routeing, because it is
> redirected to the new call. If you then drop the first call, the
> second call will lose routeing, because you have logged out.

Not quite - If you drop the first call, the second (more recently
placed) is unaffected. The routeing that's lost is the routeing for
the first call. Not that this is recommended but:

place call 1
                 routeing is to first call

place call 2
                 roueteing is to second call, no route back to 1st call
terminate call 1
                 roueteing is still to second call
terminate call 2
                 no reouteing

Whereas:

place call 1
                 routeing is to first call

place call 2
                 roueteing is to second call, no route back to 1st call
terminate call 2
                 no routeing - this is not good at all
terminate call 1

Jim Segrave <jes@nl.demon.net> wrote:
>Tony Finch  <fanf@demon.net> wrote:
>> 
>> You cannot use multilink with Demon. When a login happens, any
>> existing call for the same nodename loses routeing, because it is
>> redirected to the new call. If you then drop the first call, the
>> second call will lose routeing, because you have logged out.
>
>Not quite - If you drop the first call, the second (more recently
>placed) is unaffected. The routeing that's lost is the routeing for
>the first call. Not that this is recommended but:
>
>place call 1
>                 routeing is to first call
>place call 2
>                 roueteing is to second call, no route back to 1st call
>terminate call 1
>                 roueteing is still to second call
>terminate call 2
>                 no reouteing
>
>Whereas:
>
>place call 1
>                 routeing is to first call
>place call 2
>                 roueteing is to second call, no route back to 1st call
>terminate call 2
>                 no routeing - this is not good at all
>terminate call 1

Ahyes, now I remember the discussions about this better. The second
scenario is typical of a multilink ISDN connection that is configured
to bring the second link up only when it is necessary...

Tony.
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