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On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 00:39:15 -0500, H. S. wrote:

> Gregory Toomey wrote:
> 
>> I'm about to order Libranet, which is Debian + desktop/usability enhancements. I'm ordering Gentoo as well.
> 
> I am thinking of leaving Redhat too (haven't used any other yet) ... 
> Debian seems to be interesting from what people tell say. Gentoo ... 
> well, maybe I should look into it too. Does it have rpm  or apt 
> equivalent things to install and update stuff?
> ->HS
> 
>> 
>> gtoomey

You guy's have talked so much about this Fedora/RedHat thing and
leaving the program, I thought I would put in my 2 cents worth as
a Debian user.

I like Debian.  What I don't like about Debian as a Debian user is
the system upgrades too slowly.  All the software on Woody is obsolete
compared to RedHat 9.0.  Releases in Debian occure every couple of years.

And I've tried Gentoo, and as a Debian user may I say that Gentoo is
unstable.  I also have a hard time finding the performance advertized in
Gentoo.   And it takes me 1.5 weeks to install Gentoo as you have to
compile everything you use and thus, when you have an upgrade you end up
compiling it all again.  1-2 weeks to upgrade just pisses me off!

So, here I am back at RedHat's door with verion 9.0 just to try things
out.   Usually, I'll try out RedHat's product for a couple of months,
get pissed off, and go back to Debian.

But not this time.  I like RH 9.0 and I've always liked Bluecurve.

Don't know if Fedora will support Bluecurve but Fedora is doing the
Debian thing here.  Their going to have a community of folks build
the system.  And for those who worry about high quality software, Debian
is much higher quality than commerical RedHat is.  I bounce for quality
here.

So, in my opinion, if Fedora's social contract and rules are as strong as
Debians, they should have a system where they can produce an extremely
high quality distribution.

So, here I am, the Debian user and I' fixing to upgrade this RedHat box of
mine to Fedora Core 1.0 and perhaps find a new home for myself.

Fedora should bring us the girdth of packages found on Debian as well!

Fedora uses yum or apt-get just like Debian does, so it's designed for
users to upgrade off the internet with ease instead of buring install
CD's and screwing with FTP like RedHat made us do.  You'd have to crawl
over hundreds of websites to get the same functionality with RedHat as you
do with Debian.  Now, with Fedora they can bring all that super software
together in one neat archive, like Debian does, and post an officially
tested release for Fedora!  All you have to do is apt-get update then
apt-get upgrade to stay current.  No more checking out 100+ websites for
your upgrades as it's will all be in the apt-get repository!  No more
fighting with new versions as they will already be tested when they go
into the apt-get repository.  It will be just like Debian only the
software will be more modern as the updates will come quicker.

And to ensure this, they are using the RedHat base product to start with
which Debian must build their own.

I'm very hopeful for Fedora and I think all their website partners should
create apt repositories to work with the system.  I like synaptic and
don't think that will work with yum.  Yum seems text based.  

I want to warn them that they should pick one update version or the other,
as we shouldn't have apt-get and yum both as this leads to confusion in
the marketplace and confusion for the users also.

Cut the upgrade mechanism down to one.

Thanks