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David Peters <davidp@AdvanceEnergy.com.au> writes:

> 
> Scenario...
> 
> You (somewhat stupidly) purchase an IBM laptop thinking 'now this'll
> make a hell Linux box`, only to find that the bloody thing has a
> NeoMagic video chipset, and that there is no driver (or info to help
> write one) for the X server, so then you give up, install Windows on it,
> palm it off to someone else and look for something better.

Sorry, this statement is wrong. There is a driver for neomagic
chipsets. Check out http://www.xig.com. External/Internal switching
supported (with different refresh rates), Power Saving modes and a lot
of other nifty features.

- Thomas
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	     Xi Graphics   /  \/\ _     is far superior to a perfect plan. 
	 thomas@xig.com	  /   /	 \ \	 
			 / Oelch! \ \		  George Patton

Thomas Roell wrote:

> Sorry, this statement is wrong. There is a driver for neomagic
> chipsets. Check out http://www.xig.com. External/Internal switching
> supported (with different refresh rates), Power Saving modes and a lot
> of other nifty features.
>
> - Thomas

Hello Thomas, I have installed your X server on my thinkpad 385. I still
cannot use the External/Internal switching feature (I called custumer support
a lot of times).
Also, I have a question for you: Does your server support the presence of
a color index visual and 16 bit visual at the same time like in SGI and
Metro-X.
i.e, I would like to be able to display 256 color images and 16 bit color
images
without having to restart the server all the time.

thanks,


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In article <87hg7d203k.fsf@xeno.xig.com>, Thomas Roell <roell@xeno.xig.com> writes:
|> David Peters <davidp@AdvanceEnergy.com.au> writes:
|> 
|> > 
|> > Scenario...
|> > 
|> > You (somewhat stupidly) purchase an IBM laptop thinking 'now this'll
|> > make a hell Linux box`, only to find that the bloody thing has a
|> > NeoMagic video chipset, and that there is no driver (or info to help
|> > write one) for the X server, so then you give up, install Windows on it,
|> > palm it off to someone else and look for something better.
|> 
|> Sorry, this statement is wrong. There is a driver for neomagic
|> chipsets. Check out http://www.xig.com. External/Internal switching
|> supported (with different refresh rates), Power Saving modes and a lot
|> of other nifty features.

Sorry, his statement is a little bit true. There is only a VGA16 driver for
800x600 in XF86Free, since NeoMagic do not release their specs.

BTW, IMHO the XiG Server seems to be very expensive ($200/$250).


Volker

"Abed M. Hammoud, D.Sc." <abed@oregano.wustl.edu> writes:

> 
> Thomas Roell wrote:
> 
> > Sorry, this statement is wrong. There is a driver for neomagic
> > chipsets. Check out http://www.xig.com. External/Internal switching
> > supported (with different refresh rates), Power Saving modes and a lot
> > of other nifty features.
> >
> > - Thomas
> 
> Hello Thomas, I have installed your X server on my thinkpad 385. I still
> cannot use the External/Internal switching feature (I called custumer support
> a lot of times).

The 385 has a NM2070 in it, right ? Are you using "CTRL+ALT+TAB" for
switching ?

> Also, I have a question for you: Does your server support the presence of
> a color index visual and 16 bit visual at the same time like in SGI and
> Metro-X.

First off, Metro-X does not support this as far as I know. SGI
supports it only on hardware that can do it. Same goes for
Accelerated-X. And there only a few pieces of PC hardware can actually
do it.

> i.e, I would like to be able to display 256 color images and 16 bit color
> images
> without having to restart the server all the time.

I'm doing expactly this here, except that I'm using 256 + 16M. 

- Thomas
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	     Xi Graphics   /  \/\ _     is far superior to a perfect plan. 
	 thomas@xig.com	  /   /	 \ \	 
			 / Oelch! \ \		  George Patton

heun@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (Volker Heun) writes:

> 
> In article <87hg7d203k.fsf@xeno.xig.com>, Thomas Roell <roell@xeno.xig.com> writes:
> |> David Peters <davidp@AdvanceEnergy.com.au> writes:
> |> 
> |> > 
> |> > Scenario...
> |> > 
> |> > You (somewhat stupidly) purchase an IBM laptop thinking 'now this'll
> |> > make a hell Linux box`, only to find that the bloody thing has a
> |> > NeoMagic video chipset, and that there is no driver (or info to help
> |> > write one) for the X server, so then you give up, install Windows on it,
> |> > palm it off to someone else and look for something better.
> |> 
> |> Sorry, this statement is wrong. There is a driver for neomagic
> |> chipsets. Check out http://www.xig.com. External/Internal switching
> |> supported (with different refresh rates), Power Saving modes and a lot
> |> of other nifty features.
> 
> Sorry, his statement is a little bit true. There is only a VGA16 driver for
> 800x600 in XF86Free, since NeoMagic do not release their specs.

Aehm, the question was not whether there was support in XF86_SVGA for
a Neomagic chip, the question was, whether there was support available
at all.

- Thomas
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	     Xi Graphics   /  \/\ _     is far superior to a perfect plan. 
	 thomas@xig.com	  /   /	 \ \	 
			 / Oelch! \ \		  George Patton

In comp.os.linux.x Thomas Roell <roell@xeno.xig.com> wrote:
: David Peters <davidp@AdvanceEnergy.com.au> writes:

:> 
:> Scenario...
:> 
:> You (somewhat stupidly) purchase an IBM laptop thinking 'now this'll
:> make a hell Linux box`, only to find that the bloody thing has a
:> NeoMagic video chipset, and that there is no driver (or info to help
:> write one) for the X server, so then you give up, install Windows on it,
:> palm it off to someone else and look for something better.

: Sorry, this statement is wrong. There is a driver for neomagic
: chipsets. Check out http://www.xig.com. External/Internal switching
: supported (with different refresh rates), Power Saving modes and a lot
: of other nifty features.


I'd rather spend the extra $200 on a machine with an XFree86-supported
chipset, or, better yet, find a comparably-priced non-NeoMagic machine
and spend the $200 on a Global Positioning System receiver.

Sorry, no NeoMagic-infested laptop for me.

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Russ Price wrote:

> I'd rather spend the extra $200 on a machine with an XFree86-supported
> chipset, or, better yet, find a comparably-priced non-NeoMagic machine
> and spend the $200 on a Global Positioning System receiver.
>
> Sorry, no NeoMagic-infested laptop for me.
>
> --
> Russ Price - rjpricecow@ais.net - "Bus error (passengers dumped)"
> (ANTI-SPAM ALERT: Remove the animal from my email address to reply to me.)
>
> "  9:26pm  up 40 days,  1:01,  1 user,  load average: 1.00, 1.00, 1.00"
>         - pokey, my firewall system, 1/2/98
>
> Buddy, could you spare me a CPU? - http://www.distributed.net/rc5/


I should agree with you, but nowadays, most new notebooks with large screen,
XGA etc. use NeoMagic. That's the problem the notebook users have to face to.

I hope, someone can write an XFree version for this chipset. The problem for
me is not if the addtional $200, it's the support. Since Accelerated X is not
widely used, people can't get enough information about it from the newsgroup.

Of course, we can't require from Xi graphics to publish the specifications of
NeoMagic chipset, because it's a commercial firm, has contract with NeoMagic,
I only hope someone, who is capable, can do it.

At the end, I think, it's just a question of time, when a XFree version
support for NeoMagic comes, because there are more and more vendors using
NeoMagic, like Dell, NEC, Gateway, Acer ... And compared with C&T, NeoMagic
has better performace (Ref. PC Mag.)

lian

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I have a laptop with NeoMagic chipset as well, and I'm pretty much stuck
with it. X hardly works on it; I can get something resembling 800x600 in
4bit colour but about 50-70 pixels to the right fall off the screen.

NeoMagic is unsupported by XFree86, indeed.


However, Quake (under DOS) does run well on this very same laptop. Quake
can run in full 800x600, without shifting the display to the left or
downwards, or any other problems.
So if Quake can run on this chipset (seeing it as any ordinary SVGA
compatible chipset) run so well, in 256 or more colours, why can't
XFree86? Forget about the acceleration, I just want the bloody thing to
RUN properly in 256 or more colours on 800x600! I know it should be
possible with just some generic SVGA driver, Quake does it!

How do I configure XFree86 for this?

When I try to run the SVGA X Server it always reverts back to 320x200
(ARGH! SCREAM! RUN!) "generic vga" driver while it should be able to run
some sort of "generic svga" driver! :-(

--TNL

Tim N. van der Leeuw wrote:

> I have a laptop with NeoMagic chipset as well, and I'm pretty much stuck
> with it. X hardly works on it; I can get something resembling 800x600 in
> 4bit colour but about 50-70 pixels to the right fall off the screen.
>
> NeoMagic is unsupported by XFree86, indeed.
>
> However, Quake (under DOS) does run well on this very same laptop. Quake
> can run in full 800x600, without shifting the display to the left or
> downwards, or any other problems.
> So if Quake can run on this chipset (seeing it as any ordinary SVGA
> compatible chipset) run so well, in 256 or more colours, why can't
> XFree86? Forget about the acceleration, I just want the bloody thing to
> RUN properly in 256 or more colours on 800x600! I know it should be
> possible with just some generic SVGA driver, Quake does it!
>
> How do I configure XFree86 for this?
>
> When I try to run the SVGA X Server it always reverts back to 320x200
> (ARGH! SCREAM! RUN!) "generic vga" driver while it should be able to run
> some sort of "generic svga" driver! :-(
>
> --TNL

I had a similar problem with my card and put the no_bltblck option in from
memory in the configuration file.  Sounds Like your best bet is to reinstall
and set x without accelaration even if it means editing the xf config file
by handmake a backup copy of the config and run xf86config not setup
cant remember the capitalisation.  This will ask you questions in a text
mode without using a gui