🚀 go-pugleaf

Perhaps you could write an infamous file, config.sys under root
directory, then give EMM386.EXE a try...

On 28 Feb 97 23:02:07 GMT, "Your_Name" <Your_User_ID@fastnet.co.uk>
wrote:

>Please can somebody help me. I cannot get anything to load into the upper
>memory blocks when I go into MSDos from Windows 95. The most amount of
>conventional memory I can get is about 512k (not very good). I would
>appreciate it if somebody could get in contact with me and try to help.
>
>Email me at jandj@fastnet.co.uk  (home)  or jarcher@mitsuibabcock.co.uk 
>(work)
>
>Thanks to anybody that can help
>
>Jon Archer



- Sir CooLa

=====================================================

WinZip6.2 + Windows95 = Win95 BackUp ??

Thro Sir CooLa's Windows

http://tor-pw1.netcom.ca/~coola/Home.html

======================================================

Jon Archer writes:

 "I cannot get anything to load into the upper
 "memory blocks when I go into MSDos from Windows 95. The most amount of
 "conventional memory I can get is about 512k

Edit CONFIG.SYS to have the line
"DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE NOEMS"
near the beginning.

If Windows is not on C:, use the appropriate path. If you run DOS programs 
that use expanded memory (EMS), omit "NOEMS".

If you still don't get enough memory, consider buying QEMM. You need to
get the latest version for use with Win95 (version 8.01 as far as I know;
otherwise get version 8 and download an update).

-- 
Michael Salem

To all:

If you choose to respond to this query, be aware that is Cross Posted
 (some call it Spamming<s>) to several different groups. 

Many consider this to be very inconsiderate, and on several occasions
 I am personally aware of, it has caused problems, and hard feeling.

IMHO most of the people who do this are not willing to put in the effort
that they are asking someone else for. Further in most cases the plea is
followed by a "E-Mail me with the answer as I am too busy to come back
here". 

As yet I have not seen anyone come back to a  cross posted thread, and say
thanks for the help folks.

If you agree, or disagree with my interpretation please post with your
opinions.

Regards,

Errol


Your_Name <Your_User_ID@fastnet.co.uk> wrote
> Please can somebody help me. I cannot get anything to load into the upper
> memory blocks when I go into MSDos from Windows 95. The most amount of
> conventional memory I can get is about 512k (not very good). I would
> appreciate it if somebody could get in contact with me and try to help.
> 
> Email me at jandj@fastnet.co.uk  (home)  or jarcher@mitsuibabcock.co.uk 
> (work)
> 
> Thanks to anybody that can help
> 
> Jon Archer
> 

Errol, In most cases, i will not reply to a post that has been Cross =
Posted to several Newsgroups,without first removing all but the one i am =
reading in,however in this case i think it is appropriate.

I agree, ABSOLUTELY.
--=20
Carlos, _.  ...._  ._  _.._  ._.

"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools"
    Romans 1:22

Errol M. Nielsen <Errol_Nielsen@msn.com> wrote in article =
<01bc26bd$43668d40$85d42399@default>...
> To all:
>=20
> If you choose to respond to this query, be aware that is Cross Posted
>  (some call it Spamming<s>) to several different groups.=20
>=20
> Many consider this to be very inconsiderate, and on several occasions
>  I am personally aware of, it has caused problems, and hard feeling.
>=20
> IMHO most of the people who do this are not willing to put in the =
effort
> that they are asking someone else for. Further in most cases the plea =
is
> followed by a "E-Mail me with the answer as I am too busy to come back
> here".=20
>=20
> As yet I have not seen anyone come back to a  cross posted thread, and =
say
> thanks for the help folks.
>=20
> If you agree, or disagree with my interpretation please post with your
> opinions.
>=20
> Regards,
>=20
> Errol
>=20
>=20
> Your_Name <Your_User_ID@fastnet.co.uk> wrote
> > Please can somebody help me. I cannot get anything to load into the =
upper
> > memory blocks when I go into MSDos from Windows 95. The most amount =
of
> > conventional memory I can get is about 512k (not very good). I would
> > appreciate it if somebody could get in contact with me and try to =
help.
> >=20
> > Email me at jandj@fastnet.co.uk  (home)  or =
jarcher@mitsuibabcock.co.uk=20
> > (work)
> >=20
> > Thanks to anybody that can help
> >=20
> > Jon Archer
> >=20
> 

Hi, Carlos.

The problem comes when people don't realize they are posting to a cross
posted thread. The other day a well intentioned party posted with a >300K
attachment to a thread that had been cross posted to three groups. That's
pretty inconvenient once, but three times is a mess if you happen to
subscribe to all three groups, and has no relevance to the other forums
anyway which is so often the case with most of the posts to these cross
posted threads.

I have seen flames to innocent people who were not aware they posted to a
cross posted threads that they really didn't deserve, and would have been
avoided if the original poster had used better judgment.

Thanks for your comments, my only intent is to make the unwary  "aware" of
the far reaching effects of this practice.

Regards,
		Errol

Carlos <Carlos111@msn.com> wrote
Errol, In most cases, i will not reply to a post that has been Cross Posted
to several Newsgroups,without first removing all but the one i am reading
in,however in this case i think it is appropriate.

I agree, ABSOLUTELY.
-- 
Carlos, _.  ...._  ._  _.._  ._.

Thanks for everyone who replied. I have sorted out the problem now. Sorry
if I have caused any bad feelings with anyone because of my "spamming".

Jon Archer

"Errol M. Nielsen" <Errol_Nielsen@msn.com> wrote:

>To all:

>If you choose to respond to this query, be aware that is Cross Posted
> (some call it Spamming<s>) to several different groups. 

>Many consider this to be very inconsiderate, and on several occasions
> I am personally aware of, it has caused problems, and hard feeling.

>IMHO most of the people who do this are not willing to put in the effort
>that they are asking someone else for. Further in most cases the plea is
>followed by a "E-Mail me with the answer as I am too busy to come back
>here". 

>As yet I have not seen anyone come back to a  cross posted thread, and say
>thanks for the help folks.

>If you agree, or disagree with my interpretation please post with your
>opinions.

>Regards,

>Errol




Thanks Errol,  I had no Idea that when you responded to a message that
was cross-posted, that your response was also cross-posted.  Hell, I
don't even know how to check and see if a message was cross-posted to
start with.

By the way Errol, I have watched you help people with problems on this
group for some time, and I have also marked many articles to keep so I
could refer back to them.  You should gather a few thousand together
and write a book.

I don't know if you are aware of how much frustration you have lifted
from peoples shoulders, so I thought I would let you know how much we
admire and respect you.

I have had problems myself that have "literally" had me tossing and
turning, half in a dream state during the night. So I know how awful
it can be when your stuck with no answers.   Only a fine man would
take the time to help others in need who have no one else to turn to.

Your good deeds are not going unnoticed.

Thanks Jeff 

Which Dos version are you  using. 

Your_Name <Your_User_ID@fastnet.co.uk> wrote in article
<01bc25cb$3f0963a0$bc68cfc2@sulaco>...
> Please can somebody help me. I cannot get anything to load into the upper
> memory blocks when I go into MSDos from Windows 95. The most amount of
> conventional memory I can get is about 512k (not very good). I would
> appreciate it if somebody could get in contact with me and try to help.
> 
> Email me at jandj@fastnet.co.uk  (home)  or jarcher@mitsuibabcock.co.uk 
> (work)
> 
> Thanks to anybody that can help
> 
> Jon Archer
> 

Errol M. Nielsen wrote:
> 
> To all:
> 
> If you choose to respond to this query, be aware that is Cross Posted
>  (some call it Spamming<s>) to several different groups.

WOW,  9 groups, and almost all are Win95 groups, about a Win95
problem......
The only inapropriate (and very slightly inapropriate, at that) is the
'microsoft.public' newsgroup, and I sure won't condemn this person for
that.


Nope....

What was done here was 'proper' cross-posting.

It would be a spam if it were posted to groups not relating to win95.

I don't see dozens of alt.* groups  *.games.*  groups, or anything
that has absolutely nothing to do with the problem discussed.

It would be a spam if it was sent multiple times for a single
newsgroup or to a number of newsgroups where each was a separate
posting.



> Many consider this to be very inconsiderate, and on several occasions
>  I am personally aware of, it has caused problems, and hard feeling.

What kind of newsreader are you using.  Any decent one will only
show you this posting once even when you subscribe to all the groups
in the cross-posting list.

If yours still shows it for each newsgroup, get a different newsreader
or stop complaining.



> IMHO most of the people who do this are not willing to put in the effort
> that they are asking someone else for. Further in most cases the plea is
> followed by a "E-Mail me with the answer as I am too busy to come back
> here".

On this your claim has some merit.
If they won't come back to the newsgroup, I won't reply either.


> As yet I have not seen anyone come back to a  cross posted thread, and say
> thanks for the help folks.

I have, few though they may be...  Most 'thank you' responses are e-mail
and more personal (I've gotten a number that way myself).

I've also seen lots of complaints for actual 'spams';

               "Make Money Fast"

             bwa-hahaha - no those postings are spams......

This is the first (that I can remember) complaint about a valid and
proper cross-posting.



> If you agree, or disagree with my interpretation please post with your
> opinions.

Stated above.......



> Regards,
> 
> Errol
> 
> Your_Name <Your_User_ID@fastnet.co.uk> wrote
> > Please can somebody help me. I cannot get anything to load into the upper
> > memory blocks when I go into MSDos from Windows 95. The most amount of
> > conventional memory I can get is about 512k (not very good). I would
> > appreciate it if somebody could get in contact with me and try to help.
> >
> > Email me at jandj@fastnet.co.uk  (home)  or jarcher@mitsuibabcock.co.uk
> > (work)
> >
> > Thanks to anybody that can help
> >
> > Jon Archer
> >

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Hi,

Is there somebody to help me ?

I would like to print with/under win 95. It does not work maybe 
because the printer is seen by a unix host (a sun). Is it true ?

What must i do to print with my local network printer ?

If i have to use a utility software: is this software free ?
Where can i get it on the net ? Ftp sites ?
Could you explain to me in 2 words what are its subtilities ?


Thanks in advance.

Regards.

Frederic

In article <331AE55C.2781E494@tellabs.com> Joe Toth wrote:

>WOW,  9 groups, and almost all are Win95 groups, about a Win95
>problem......

But they are not all about any old win95 problem ...

>The only inapropriate (and very slightly inapropriate, at that) is the
>'microsoft.public' newsgroup, and I sure won't condemn this person for
>that.

Newsgroups may be more specialised than you assume. I am reading this in
demon.ip.support.win95, which is chartered for IP (= Internet) matters
only on the subject of using Win95 to connect to Demon Internet UK.

d.i.s.win95 removed from f.u.

-- 
Paul Terry

In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.970303161418.23576B-
100000@muenter.pmmh.espci.fr> Frederic Favray wrote:

>I would like to print with/under win 95. It does not work maybe 
>because the printer is seen by a unix host (a sun). Is it true ?

off-topic for demon.ip.support.win95, which is removed from f.u.
(cross-posted threads: - hmphh)
-- 
Paul Terry

Hi, Joe.

Thank you for your opinion and  interpretations. Obviously I don't agree
with you on the propriety of cross posting, but am willing to concede some 
of your points on SPAM.

Errol Nielsen wrote:
> > > Many consider this to be very inconsiderate, and on several occasions
> > > I am personally aware of, it has caused problems, and hard feeling.

Joe Toth <toth@tellabs.com> wrote 
> What kind of newsreader are you using.  Any decent one will only
> show you this posting once even when you subscribe to all the groups
> in the cross-posting list.

> If yours still shows it for each newsgroup, get a different newsreader
> or stop complaining.
(Your personality is showing Joe)

I'me not sure what my reader has to do with any comments made in
my post, but how does your 'Mozilla 3.0' handle it if someone posts to this
cross post with a >300K attachment, and suppose you are subscribed to all
nine of them and have your reader set to download all messages while your
doing something else?

> This is the first (that I can remember) complaint about a valid and
> proper cross-posting.

I think that "valid and proper cross-posting" is your interpretation, and
as such makes my interpretation just as valid. But according to the
netiquette rules I have read, it suggests that posting to 3 news groups
should be the max.

The problem isn't so much with the person making the massive cross post,
but with the subsequent posts by people unaware that it is cross posted,
and the ones who invariably get off subject and sometimes end up getting
flamed (I have seen several) through no fault of their own. 

Your post is a perfect example, someone posted a totally unrelated question
to it, and it was in turn sent to 9 unrelated newsgroups for which he
promptly
received a (in this case), polite rebuke. I doubt the person has any idea
what he has done wrong, and it most likely wouldn't have been noticed if
this
thread was posted to one group at a time as I feel it should have been.

To get a different perspective you might consider taking the time to
subscribe to "msnews-microsoft-com_microsoft-public-win95-coffeehouse-chat"
(a pretty interesting place) and read the thread "Active Movie not playing
..wav's". This thread caused a great deal of bad feelings and frustrations
before people figured out it was cross posted. Do a sort by size in the
same forum, you will find the >300K insert I mentioned above that was
unwittingly posted to a thread that had been cross posted. Both of these
threads were only posted to 3 groups, tell the people effected by these two
thread that it's OK. Subsequently I have been involved in another cross
posted thread that you may want to browse for some different opinions on
this subject. 

I really don't expect you to do any of the above, but there is different
perspectives and opinions on this subject.

Regards,
		Errol

Errol M. Nielsen wrote:
> 
> Hi, Joe.
> 
> Thank you for your opinion and  interpretations. Obviously I don't agree
> with you on the propriety of cross posting, but am willing to concede some
> of your points on SPAM.

And I am also willing to concede that oft-times what appears to be a
valid cross-posting may include some more specialized groups that
superficially appear within bounds.  Generally, in the case of the
limited number of groups (< 10) and that all included M$ and/or Win95,
I will cut some slack, but the poster should have done a bit more
research about what the group was for before including it in the list..


> 
> Errol Nielsen wrote:
> > > > Many consider this to be very inconsiderate, and on several occasions
> > > > I am personally aware of, it has caused problems, and hard feeling.
> 
> Joe Toth <toth@tellabs.com> wrote
> > What kind of newsreader are you using.  Any decent one will only
> > show you this posting once even when you subscribe to all the groups
> > in the cross-posting list.
> 
> > If yours still shows it for each newsgroup, get a different newsreader
> > or stop complaining.
> (Your personality is showing Joe)
> 
> I'me not sure what my reader has to do with any comments made in
> my post, but how does your 'Mozilla 3.0' handle it if someone posts to this
> cross post with a >300K attachment, and suppose you are subscribed to all
> nine of them and have your reader set to download all messages while your
> doing something else?

Your newsreader should recognize that it was a cross-post.  It should
then download the article ONCE, and mark it in each of your subscribed
newsgroups as 'unread'.  Then, when you encounter this article, doesn't
matter which group, and read it, the newsreader should go to each group
that you are subscribed to that contains a reference to this article
and mark it as read.  That is why headers are (or should be) stored
separately from the body of the article.

Stored ONCE, read ONCE.  where is the problem?


Mozilla 3.0 is built into NetScape 3.0.  On Unix & Win95 the reader
handles the reading once problem.

On Unix, the News server handles the storage, and is not NetScape,
but I don't know which one it is.

On Win 95, I'm actually not sure how it handles the storage, as I
don't use it in that manner.

I used to use winvn, and it seemed to work properly the few times
I tried it.  But since I didn't even want all those binary groups
downloaded every time, I  set it up to only load the headers, and
selectively load articles that I specified.  I haven't used it in
a while.


> 
> > This is the first (that I can remember) complaint about a valid and
> > proper cross-posting.
> 
> I think that "valid and proper cross-posting" is your interpretation, and
> as such makes my interpretation just as valid. But according to the
> netiquette rules I have read, it suggests that posting to 3 news groups
> should be the max.

A nice target, not an imposed limit.


> 
> The problem isn't so much with the person making the massive cross post,
> but with the subsequent posts by people unaware that it is cross posted,
> and the ones who invariably get off subject and sometimes end up getting
> flamed (I have seen several) through no fault of their own.

On this, I blame the 'flamer', and possibly the originator, not the
replyer.

When someone replies to a post that was cross-posted in this way, there
is no way to know which group was used as the originating group. In
fact,
on a 'new' posting that is cross-posted, the list is simply that - a
list.
there is no primary group involved......  You may think that because
some
of the Windowed newsreades automatically enter the current newsgroup
when you select 'new' that it is something special; IT ISN'T.  it is
simply the first in the list.  Some news processors will sort them
alphabetically, others won't.  So as it goes down the line, this primary
group gets lost in the shuffle.  On a Unix system, you enter 'newmsg',
or something like that depending on what news system is implemented,
and then supply the list to cross-post to - there is no 'primary' or
'target' newsgroup.  


Lets see - which of those nine groups should I respond to?
I haven't a clue...

The only choice is to reply to the entire list. (provided that there are
no completely obvious groups that don't belong).


> 
> Your post is a perfect example, someone posted a totally unrelated question
> to it, and it was in turn sent to 9 unrelated newsgroups for which he
> promptly
> received a (in this case), polite rebuke.

A totally unrelated question should be the start a new thread.

When this occurs, the 'Subject' line should be changed to reflect that.
Too many people reply with new subjects without modifying the 'Subject'.


>                                           I doubt the person has any idea
> what he has done wrong, and it most likely wouldn't have been noticed if
> this
> thread was posted to one group at a time as I feel it should have been.
  ;^}  I hope you mean 'only one group', not really 'one group at a
time'
       as that would advocate true 'spamming'.

Your correct; 'I doubt the person has any idea what he has done wrong'.
And in fact, he may have done nothing wrong.

That is why I brought up that point, as you brought up the point of the
'caused problems, and hard feelings'.

As a reader of news, the only real reason to be angry at a 'reply' is
if it does not follow the original cross-posting.

If a posting is properly 'cross-posted', you read it once - ONCE.
When you go into  one of the other groups it was posted to, it will
already be marked as 'read', and you won't be bothered by it again.
If you read a follow up, you read it ONCE. for all other groups it
will be marked as 'read' and not be displayed again.

That is, unless you have a dumb news-reader/server.

If the originator improperly cross-posted, they should be the target of
flames, not the person who replies.


> 
> To get a different perspective you might consider taking the time to
> subscribe to "msnews-microsoft-com_microsoft-public-win95-coffeehouse-chat"
> (a pretty interesting place) and read the thread "Active Movie not playing
> ..wav's". This thread caused a great deal of bad feelings and frustrations
> before people figured out it was cross posted. Do a sort by size in the
> same forum, you will find the >300K insert I mentioned above that was
> unwittingly posted to a thread that had been cross posted. Both of these
> threads were only posted to 3 groups, tell the people effected by these two
> thread that it's OK. Subsequently I have been involved in another cross
> posted thread that you may want to browse for some different opinions on
> this subject.

Anybody who includes a '>300k insert' had better have a darn good
reason for doing it.  Most charters say 'no binaries'.  If they didn't
that is good reason to flame the hell out of them.

Simply the fact that it was cross-posted shouldn't be a good reason.

A good news-reader will only make you look at it ONCE, and then mark
the article read in all other related groups that you subscribe to.

A good news server will only store it ONCE, and then cross reference
to it in the place it was first stored and only expire it when it
has expired from all of the groups in the cross-post list. Any server
that will store the article 9 times should be replaced - immediately.

In fact' this is the reason for, and the beauty of, proper
cross-posting.


> I really don't expect you to do any of the above, but there is different
> perspectives and opinions on this subject.


Again, simply the fact that something was cross-posted should not
be causing problems.

Many of the complaints come from people who don't understand how
news-readers / servers operate, or they are using systems that are
so poorly implemented that they should be replaced.

If my news reader/server downloaded that article 9 times, I would sure
complain - to the developer of my news reader/server - but not to the
person who did a legitimate cross-post about it being a cross-post.


> Regards,
>                 Errol


;^}

comp.os.ms-windows.apps.compatibility.win95  - but there is that 'apps'
there

comp.os.ms-windows.apps.utilities.win95  - news readers are one of many
utilities

comp.os.ms-windows.setup.win95  - I dunno, you do have to set-up the
reader, don't you.
comp.os.ms-windows.win95.setup  - geeze, one of these two is redundant -
isn't it 

comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc   - well, it is a misc group anyway

demon.ip.support.win95  - for this one, I apologize (you will be removed
in my followups)

microsoft.public.win95.msdosapps - belongs here (there are DOS based
newsreaders.

microsoft.public - free-forum - anything to do with MS (MS-DOS/MS-Win
apps also).


The original posting had to do with 'config' & 'autoexec' questions,
didn't it?
By the same reasoning, he also only should apologize for one
inapropriate group
being specified (funny, the same one).


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  | / _  |    Joseph G. Toth Jr.       | Tellabs Operations, Inc.  
\_| \_/  |    jgtoth@juno.com          | toth@tellabs.com

Jeffrey Stewart wrote:
> 
> "Errol M. Nielsen" <Errol_Nielsen@msn.com> wrote:
> 
> >To all:
> 
> >If you choose to respond to this query, be aware that is Cross Posted
> > (some call it Spamming<s>) to several different groups.
> 
> >Many consider this to be very inconsiderate, and on several occasions
> > I am personally aware of, it has caused problems, and hard feeling.
> 
> >IMHO most of the people who do this are not willing to put in the effort
> >that they are asking someone else for. Further in most cases the plea is
> >followed by a "E-Mail me with the answer as I am too busy to come back
> >here".
> 
> >As yet I have not seen anyone come back to a  cross posted thread, and say
> >thanks for the help folks.
> 
> >If you agree, or disagree with my interpretation please post with your
> >opinions.
> 
> >Regards,
> 
> >Errol
> 
> Thanks Errol,  I had no Idea that when you responded to a message that
> was cross-posted, that your response was also cross-posted.  Hell, I
> don't even know how to check and see if a message was cross-posted to
> start with.
> 
> By the way Errol, I have watched you help people with problems on this
> group for some time, and I have also marked many articles to keep so I
> could refer back to them.  You should gather a few thousand together
> and write a book.
> 
> I don't know if you are aware of how much frustration you have lifted
> from peoples shoulders, so I thought I would let you know how much we
> admire and respect you.
> 
> I have had problems myself that have "literally" had me tossing and
> turning, half in a dream state during the night. So I know how awful
> it can be when your stuck with no answers.   Only a fine man would
> take the time to help others in need who have no one else to turn to.
> 
> Your good deeds are not going unnoticed.
> 
> Thanks Jeffif you people don't express your gratitude, don't expect help in the 
future.mark this news group and come back often....you might learn some-
thing! if "you"don't have time to check this group,don't abuse other 
peoples time.
seek and ye shall find,but don't take advantage of people in the 
meantime.
dave

>Please can somebody help me. I cannot get anything to load into the upper
>memory blocks when I go into MSDos from Windows 95. The most amount of
>conventional memory I can get is about 512k (not very good). I would
>appreciate it if somebody could get in contact with me and try to help.

Do you have EMM386.EXE loading in CONFIG.SYS.  If you have any
programs which require EMS then you should use the AUTO RAM switches,
otherwise use NOEMS RAM.

Adding a line DOS=HIGH,UMB will also load DOS high and enable Upper
Memory Blocks, freeing up even more memory and allowing you to use
UMBs.

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