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Daren Chapin wrote:
> 
> After installing a LAN at home so I could share files and a printer between
> a portable running win95 and an NT4.0 workstation, I have started to get
> this error when connecting to my ISP via RAS (from NT4):
> 
> > TCP/IP CP reported error 1214: The format of the specified network name
> > is invalid
> 
> This shows up in the EventLog as a NetBT error:
> 
> > Initialization failed because the transport refused to open initial
> Addresses.
> 
> I have to reboot to fix the problem, and that seems to work only if I
> unplug
> the ethernet card from the minihub.  Is this a bug?  NT is supposed to
> be able to handle two disparate networks in this manner.  I did a search
> on "Error 1214" and found a few people asking more or less the same
> question, but no answers.  Any thoughts?  I don't have either of the NT4
> service packs installed, but nothing looked promising in their list of
> fixed
> problems, and I have heard that SP2 causes other RAS problems.
> 
> Please email any advice, and I'll summarize and post if I find out
> anything.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Daren Chapin
> chapin@panix.com
I have a small network (three machines, ethernet) one of which has a
modem with which I connect to the internet via RAS dialup(ISP  is
compuserve).  My problem is that I can't find any way to have the OTHER
two ethernet connected machines use the RAS dialup as a connection to
the internet.  I need the RAS machine to do IP forwarding from the
Ethernet interface to the RAS dialup interface.  
Is this possible?  If it is I could upgrade my modem and attempt to use
the same link from two or three machines at a time, as it is actually
idle most of the time.
Please copy my email address with any response because news rolls off my
server pretty fast:   wcn00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com

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> I have a small network (three machines, ethernet) one of which has a
> modem with which I connect to the internet via RAS dialup(ISP  is
> compuserve).  My problem is that I can't find any way to have the OTHER
> two ethernet connected machines use the RAS dialup as a connection to
> the internet.  I need the RAS machine to do IP forwarding from the
> Ethernet interface to the RAS dialup interface.
> Is this possible?

This is possible with Linux.  It IS a collection of all the 
Internet services that you'd like. Just my $.02.


>  If it is I could upgrade my modem and attempt to use
> the same link from two or three machines at a time, as it is actually
> idle most of the time.
> Please copy my email address with any response because news rolls off my
> server pretty fast:   wcn00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com

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> > I have a small network (three machines, ethernet) one of which has a
> > modem with which I connect to the internet via RAS dialup(ISP  is
> > compuserve).  My problem is that I can't find any way to have the OTHER
> > two ethernet connected machines use the RAS dialup as a connection to
> > the internet.  I need the RAS machine to do IP forwarding from the
> > Ethernet interface to the RAS dialup interface.
> > Is this possible?
> >  If it is I could upgrade my modem and attempt to use
> > the same link from two or three machines at a time, as it is actually
> > idle most of the time.
> > Please copy my email address with any response because news rolls off my
> > server pretty fast:   wcn00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com

You don't say what operating system you are using.  What you want to
do can be done with NT right out of the box.  

If you are using Windows 95, you can't do it out of the box.  Win95
doesn't
route tcpip.  (it can be done if you are willing to put your machine
in an 'unsupported' state by installing an older version of VIP.386 and
making some registry changes.)

What you're probably looking for is provided in the Wingate software.
Check it out at http://deerfield.com/wingate.  It will connect any
number
of machines by acting as a proxy server.  Providing a connection for
1 machine is free.

Tim
tcharron@ican.net

Tim Charron <tcharron@ctfinance.com> wrote:

> > > I have a small network (three machines, ethernet) one of which has a
> > > modem with which I connect to the internet via RAS dialup(ISP  is
> > > compuserve).  My problem is that I can't find any way to have the OTHER
> > > two ethernet connected machines use the RAS dialup as a connection to
> > > the internet.  I need the RAS machine to do IP forwarding from the
> > > Ethernet interface to the RAS dialup interface.
> > > Is this possible?
> > >  If it is I could upgrade my modem and attempt to use
> > > the same link from two or three machines at a time, as it is actually
> > > idle most of the time.
> > > Please copy my email address with any response because news rolls off my
> > > server pretty fast:   wcn00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com
> 
> You don't say what operating system you are using.  What you want to
> do can be done with NT right out of the box.  

It can?  How?  With NT Workstation, NT Server, or both?  I thought it
still required WinGate or somesuch.

Andrew
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On Fri, 17 Jan 1997 11:50:06 GMT, Andrew@gebbie.demon.co.uk (Andrew
Gebbie) wrote:

>Tim Charron <tcharron@ctfinance.com> wrote:
>
>> > > I have a small network (three machines, ethernet) one of which has a
>> > > modem with which I connect to the internet via RAS dialup(ISP  is
>> > > compuserve).  My problem is that I can't find any way to have the OTHER
>> > > two ethernet connected machines use the RAS dialup as a connection to
>> > > the internet.  I need the RAS machine to do IP forwarding from the
>> > > Ethernet interface to the RAS dialup interface.
>> > > Is this possible?
>> > >  If it is I could upgrade my modem and attempt to use
>> > > the same link from two or three machines at a time, as it is actually
>> > > idle most of the time.
>> > > Please copy my email address with any response because news rolls off my
>> > > server pretty fast:   wcn00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com
>> 
>> You don't say what operating system you are using.  What you want to
>> do can be done with NT right out of the box.  
>
>It can?  How?  With NT Workstation, NT Server, or both?  I thought it
>still required WinGate or somesuch.

Sure no problem using NT server as a router (maybe WS too, can't
recall off the top of my head). However the big problem would be that
you required valid IP addresses for all your clients so that the
correct packets got back to them. Wingate provides a sort of proxy
access so that you don't need registered, official IP addresses. I
believe that you can do IP spoofing with Linux that allows similar
functionality.


--
Nigel Barker
nigel@openvms.demon.co.uk

Nigel Barker wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 17 Jan 1997 11:50:06 GMT, Andrew@gebbie.demon.co.uk (Andrew
> Gebbie) wrote:
> 
> >Tim Charron <tcharron@ctfinance.com> wrote:
> >
> >> > > I have a small network (three machines, ethernet) one of which has a
> >> > > modem with which I connect to the internet via RAS dialup(ISP  is
> >> > > compuserve).  My problem is that I can't find any way to have the OTHER
> >> > > two ethernet connected machines use the RAS dialup as a connection to
> >> > > the internet.  I need the RAS machine to do IP forwarding from the
> >> > > Ethernet interface to the RAS dialup interface.
> >> > > Is this possible?
> >> > >  If it is I could upgrade my modem and attempt to use
> >> > > the same link from two or three machines at a time, as it is actually
> >> > > idle most of the time.
> >> > > Please copy my email address with any response because news rolls off my
> >> > > server pretty fast:   wcn00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com
> >>
> >> You don't say what operating system you are using.  What you want to
> >> do can be done with NT right out of the box.
> >
> >It can?  How?  With NT Workstation, NT Server, or both?  I thought it
> >still required WinGate or somesuch.
> 
> Sure no problem using NT server as a router (maybe WS too, can't
> recall off the top of my head). However the big problem would be that
> you required valid IP addresses for all your clients so that the
> correct packets got back to them. Wingate provides a sort of proxy
> access so that you don't need registered, official IP addresses. I
> believe that you can do IP spoofing with Linux that allows similar
> functionality.
> 

Yep.  Calling into an office environment is possible because you can set
up the required routing.  Calling an ISP requires them to forward
more than one address.  (and by the way...NT WS does act as a router.)

-- Tim

Tim Charron wrote:
> 
> Nigel Barker wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 17 Jan 1997 11:50:06 GMT, Andrew@gebbie.demon.co.uk (Andrew
> > Gebbie) wrote:
> >
> > >Tim Charron <tcharron@ctfinance.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> > > I have a small network (three machines, ethernet) one of which has a
> > >> > > modem with which I connect to the internet via RAS dialup(ISP  is
> > >> > > compuserve).  My problem is that I can't find any way to have the OTHER
> > >> > > two ethernet connected machines use the RAS dialup as a connection to
> > >> > > the internet.  I need the RAS machine to do IP forwarding from the
> > >> > > Ethernet interface to the RAS dialup interface.
> > >> > > Is this possible?
> > >> > >  If it is I could upgrade my modem and attempt to use
> > >> > > the same link from two or three machines at a time, as it is actually
> > >> > > idle most of the time.
> > >> > > Please copy my email address with any response because news rolls off my
> > >> > > server pretty fast:   wcn00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com
> > >>
> > >> You don't say what operating system you are using.  What you want to
> > >> do can be done with NT right out of the box.
> > >
> > >It can?  How?  With NT Workstation, NT Server, or both?  I thought it
> > >still required WinGate or somesuch.
> >
> > Sure no problem using NT server as a router (maybe WS too, can't
> > recall off the top of my head). However the big problem would be that
> > you required valid IP addresses for all your clients so that the
> > correct packets got back to them. Wingate provides a sort of proxy
> > access so that you don't need registered, official IP addresses. I
> > believe that you can do IP spoofing with Linux that allows similar
> > functionality.
> >
> 
> Yep.  Calling into an office environment is possible because you can set
> up the required routing.  Calling an ISP requires them to forward
> more than one address.  (and by the way...NT WS does act as a router.)
> 
> -- Tim

actually the routing depends on the version of NT. with NT 3.5 you have
to set the registry manually, with 3.51 or above you have a check box in
the configuration dialog. search the Knowledge base for routing tcp over
ras (i think it's article Q111877, but not sure), how to configure
server and client for proper routing entries.
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Stephan wrote:
> 
> Tim Charron wrote:
> >
> > Nigel Barker wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, 17 Jan 1997 11:50:06 GMT, Andrew@gebbie.demon.co.uk (Andrew
> > > Gebbie) wrote:
> > >
> > > >Tim Charron <tcharron@ctfinance.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> > > I have a small network (three machines, ethernet) one of which has a
> > > >> > > modem with which I connect to the internet via RAS dialup(ISP  is
> > > >> > > compuserve).  My problem is that I can't find any way to have the OTHER
> > > >> > > two ethernet connected machines use the RAS dialup as a connection to
> > > >> > > the internet.  I need the RAS machine to do IP forwarding from the
> > > >> > > Ethernet interface to the RAS dialup interface.
> > > >> > > Is this possible?
> > > >> > >  If it is I could upgrade my modem and attempt to use
> > > >> > > the same link from two or three machines at a time, as it is actually
> > > >> > > idle most of the time.
> > > >> > > Please copy my email address with any response because news rolls off my
> > > >> > > server pretty fast:   wcn00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com
> > > >>
> > > >> You don't say what operating system you are using.  What you want to
> > > >> do can be done with NT right out of the box.
> > > >
> > > >It can?  How?  With NT Workstation, NT Server, or both?  I thought it
> > > >still required WinGate or somesuch.
> > >
> > > Sure no problem using NT server as a router (maybe WS too, can't
> > > recall off the top of my head). However the big problem would be that
> > > you required valid IP addresses for all your clients so that the
> > > correct packets got back to them. Wingate provides a sort of proxy
> > > access so that you don't need registered, official IP addresses. I
> > > believe that you can do IP spoofing with Linux that allows similar
> > > functionality.
> > >
> >
> > Yep.  Calling into an office environment is possible because you can set
> > up the required routing.  Calling an ISP requires them to forward
> > more than one address.  (and by the way...NT WS does act as a router.)
> >
> > -- Tim
> 
> actually the routing depends on the version of NT. with NT 3.5 you have
> to set the registry manually, with 3.51 or above you have a check box in
> the configuration dialog. search the Knowledge base for routing tcp over
> ras (i think it's article Q111877, but not sure), how to configure
> server and client for proper routing entries.
> --

Suggestion -

Instead of routing network traffic to your ISP and going through the trouble 
of getting valid IP addresses, I would suggest setting up a proxy server, 
such as WinGate, on the computer that has the RAS connection.  After 
configuring your other machines to use this machine as a proxy, you will get 
the result you are after - connections to the Internet for all machines on 
your network.