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Steven Q (steven-q@senet.com.au) wrote:
: Greetings,

Hey,

: I'm having a serious problem getting one of my computers seeing my
: network, or the network to see it !  The new computer to my network is
: a Pentium 200MMX  running Windows 95 OSR2c with a 3com 3c509b network
: card, using coax.

: I've tried all the obvious, namely :

: 1. Setting NetBEUI as the default protocol
: 2. Checked cables T-peices & Terminators
: 3. Groupname, computer name, etc....
: 4. All share boxes are ticked
: 5. Ran the 3c5x9cfg.exe program and set as coax.
: 6. Ran "Net Diag" in dos mode.

What about sharing a drive on the new computer..
You haven't mentioned that. 
What about if you do a "Find Computers"
do they see each other then ???

	/ Brett

: The network card sees itself in network neighborhood, but no one else.
: The other 2 computers in the network manage to see each other without
: a problem, but refuse to acknowledge that the new member to the
: network is there.

: Thanks in advance
: Steven Q

i had a simmilar problem, strangely changing the pci slot the network card
was in fixed it.


Brett Pemberton <b.pemberton@student.murdoch.edu.au> wrote in message
news:81apmo$9am$1@newsman.murdoch.edu.au...
> Steven Q (steven-q@senet.com.au) wrote:
> : Greetings,
>
> Hey,
>
> : I'm having a serious problem getting one of my computers seeing my
> : network, or the network to see it !  The new computer to my network is
> : a Pentium 200MMX  running Windows 95 OSR2c with a 3com 3c509b network
> : card, using coax.
>
> : I've tried all the obvious, namely :
>
> : 1. Setting NetBEUI as the default protocol
> : 2. Checked cables T-peices & Terminators
> : 3. Groupname, computer name, etc....
> : 4. All share boxes are ticked
> : 5. Ran the 3c5x9cfg.exe program and set as coax.
> : 6. Ran "Net Diag" in dos mode.
>
> What about sharing a drive on the new computer..
> You haven't mentioned that.
> What about if you do a "Find Computers"
> do they see each other then ???
>
> / Brett
>
> : The network card sees itself in network neighborhood, but no one else.
> : The other 2 computers in the network manage to see each other without
> : a problem, but refuse to acknowledge that the new member to the
> : network is there.
>
> : Thanks in advance
> : Steven Q
>
>

I had similar problem with Netgear PCI card but problems go away when I move
the PCI card together with my PCI video card starting slot one. One is
Pentium 166 with Win95 and another is K6-2 400 with Win98 and they both are
happy when I put my video card in slot one and Netgear in slot 2.  They share
merrily using the
plain ole NetBEUI protocol.  It took me a couple weeks to figure that out. ;-)

CH

Rob wrote:

> i had a simmilar problem, strangely changing the pci slot the network card
> was in fixed it.
>
> Brett Pemberton <b.pemberton@student.murdoch.edu.au> wrote in message
> news:81apmo$9am$1@newsman.murdoch.edu.au...
> > Steven Q (steven-q@senet.com.au) wrote:
> > : Greetings,
> >
> > Hey,
> >
> > : I'm having a serious problem getting one of my computers seeing my
> > : network, or the network to see it !  The new computer to my network is
> > : a Pentium 200MMX  running Windows 95 OSR2c with a 3com 3c509b network
> > : card, using coax.
> >
> > : I've tried all the obvious, namely :
> >
> > : 1. Setting NetBEUI as the default protocol
> > : 2. Checked cables T-peices & Terminators
> > : 3. Groupname, computer name, etc....
> > : 4. All share boxes are ticked
> > : 5. Ran the 3c5x9cfg.exe program and set as coax.
> > : 6. Ran "Net Diag" in dos mode.
> >
> > What about sharing a drive on the new computer..
> > You haven't mentioned that.
> > What about if you do a "Find Computers"
> > do they see each other then ???
> >
> > / Brett
> >
> > : The network card sees itself in network neighborhood, but no one else.
> > : The other 2 computers in the network manage to see each other without
> > : a problem, but refuse to acknowledge that the new member to the
> > : network is there.
> >
> > : Thanks in advance
> > : Steven Q
> >
> >

On Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:25:11 +0800, "Rob" <robstephenson@iname.com>
wrote:

>i had a simmilar problem, strangely changing the pci slot the network card
>was in fixed it.

Hi Rob,

I tried changing slots, I also tried a PCI network card and tried
another 16 bit card and after installing all the drivers, sharing,
protocols, etc..  ended up with the same problem...  I tried the
cable, t-peice and terminator in another PC running 98 SE, and
"presto" the thing picked up the network straight away....

Steve

On 22 Nov 1999 07:00:40 GMT, b.pemberton@student.murdoch.edu.au (Brett
Pemberton) wrote:


>What about sharing a drive on the new computer..
>You haven't mentioned that. 
>What about if you do a "Find Computers"
>do they see each other then ???

Thanks for the input Brett

Yup, set up all the sharing..... no change...
Also, Find computer don't work either....  But the other computers
seem to find each other okay and this computer only finds itself...
Anything else I may be missing ?

Steve

Steven Q <steven-q@senet.com.au> wrote in message
news:3838e884.357475796@news.senet.com.au...
> Greetings,
>
> I'm having a serious problem getting one of my computers seeing my
> network, or the network to see it !  The new computer to my network is
> a Pentium 200MMX  running Windows 95 OSR2c with a 3com 3c509b network
> card, using coax.
>
> I've tried all the obvious, namely :
>
> 1. Setting NetBEUI as the default protocol
> 2. Checked cables T-peices & Terminators
> 3. Groupname, computer name, etc....
> 4. All share boxes are ticked
> 5. Ran the 3c5x9cfg.exe program and set as coax.
> 6. Ran "Net Diag" in dos mode.


Did it pass the net diag test? - i.e sending from 1 pc to another accross
the net ? -
if it did you have a windoze config issue, if it did'nt its a hardware
issue.

also, what is the protocol the other pc's use? - if its tcp/ip - watch for
duplicate ip address / incorrect subnet mask / gateway  (if not using DHCP)

Check network card in device manager for conflicts. Change PCI slots



N Gilmore

Hi All,

PROBLEM SOLVED !!!!
===================

Thanks to everyone for all their input, there was indeed quite a few
things that I hadn't tried that I'll remember for future networking
problems.... I really appreciated the time that you all took to try
and help me.... Thank You once again....

The Solution
==========

After trying another 2 cards bought brand new, I still had the same
problem with the stubborn computer still not wanting to be seen by the
network and the other computers not interested in communicating with
it.  I tried various ways to solve this dilemma with help from the
newsgroups, to no avail......

Eventually I started experimenting with the coax line, adding extra
terminators, taking them off and doing bazare things to change the
impedance off the coax line....... and it worked.....  Finally, I
popped a 75 ohm terminator on the end in place of the 50 ohm job and
my computer sprung to life......  It see's all the other computers,
and all the other computers can see it.  We can now share Hard-Drives
Removable-Media and Printers incident free........ and now I can
rest....

Thanks All & Regards
Steve
 


>I'm having a serious problem getting one of my computers seeing my
>network, or the network to see it !  The new computer to my network is
>a Pentium 200MMX  running Windows 95 OSR2c with a 3com 3c509b network
>card, using coax.
>
>I've tried all the obvious, namely :
>
>1. Setting NetBEUI as the default protocol
>2. Checked cables T-peices & Terminators
>3. Groupname, computer name, etc....
>4. All share boxes are ticked
>5. Ran the 3c5x9cfg.exe program and set as coax.
>6. Ran "Net Diag" in dos mode.
>
>The network card sees itself in network neighborhood, but no one else.
>The other 2 computers in the network manage to see each other without
>a problem, but refuse to acknowledge that the new member to the
>network is there.
>
>I've also tried changing the network card for an Accton EN1656 with
>the same result.  Is there something I'm missing in the computers BIOS
>or something ?  Or do I need something else ?  I've even disenabled
>COM1 & COM2 on the Motherboard and unplugged the sound card incase it
>crashed with the network card somehow....  
>
>Anyone had this problem before ?  I've scanned just about al FAQ's
>that I can find to no avail, so any help would be sincerely
>appreciated.  I'm fighting to beat this damn thing before I lose my
>sanity....
>
>Thanks in advance
>Steven Q
>

Steven Q <steven-q@senet.com.au> wrote in message news:383ca772.165238311@news.senet.com.au...

> PROBLEM SOLVED !!!!
> ===================

Dunno.

> The Solution
> ==========

> After trying another 2 cards bought brand new, I still
> had the same problem with the stubborn computer still not
> wanting to be seen by the network and the other computers
> not interested in communicating with it.  I tried various ways
> to solve this dilemma with help from the newsgroups, to no avail......

> Eventually I started experimenting with the coax line, adding extra
> terminators, taking them off and doing bazare things to change the
> impedance off the coax line....... and it worked.....  Finally, I
> popped a 75 ohm terminator on the end in place of the 50 ohm job
> and my computer sprung to life......  It see's all the other computers,
> and all the other computers can see it.  We can now share Hard-Drives
> Removable-Media and Printers incident free........ and now I can rest....

Bet you can now put the 50 ohm terminator back and it
will still work. If it doesnt, you've got a problem with the
coax segment going to that T or even with the T itself.

Win9x can take some time to get the devices all resolved, particularly
if you dont just run a simple config with just one protocol etc.

>> I'm having a serious problem getting one of my computers seeing
>> my network, or the network to see it !  The new computer to my
>> network is a Pentium 200MMX  running Windows 95 OSR2c
>> with a 3com 3c509b network card, using coax.

>> I've tried all the obvious, namely :

>> 1. Setting NetBEUI as the default protocol
>> 2. Checked cables T-peices & Terminators
>> 3. Groupname, computer name, etc....
>> 4. All share boxes are ticked
>> 5. Ran the 3c5x9cfg.exe program and set as coax.
>> 6. Ran "Net Diag" in dos mode.

>> The network card sees itself in network neighborhood,
>> but no one else. The other 2 computers in the network
>> manage to see each other without a problem, but refuse
>> to acknowledge that the new member to the network is there.

>> I've also tried changing the network card for an Accton EN1656
>> with the same result.  Is there something I'm missing in the computers
>> BIOS or something ?  Or do I need something else ?  I've even
>> disenabled COM1 & COM2 on the Motherboard and unplugged
>> the sound card incase it crashed with the network card somehow....

>> Anyone had this problem before ?  I've scanned just about al FAQ's
>> that I can find to no avail, so any help would be sincerely appreciated.
>> I'm fighting to beat this damn thing before I lose my sanity....

>Bet you can now put the 50 ohm terminator back and it
>will still work. If it doesnt, you've got a problem with the
>coax segment going to that T or even with the T itself.

No, You lost that bet Rod, it don't work when you put the 50 ohm
terminator back.....  Also I've tried another 2 pieces of coax as well
and get the same result, also I've tried around 4 different 50 ohm
terminators as well as T-peices......  to top it off, the 75 ohm works
with all 4 of my (previously discarded) network cards now that I've
changed to a 75 ohm terminator, and all 3 pieces of coax have also
been tested working on other machines whether they have 95 or 98
installed and with 50 ohm terminators..... 

The terminators do read at 50 ohm when measured (well actually 51.4
ohm to be exact)......  So to sum it all up..... The terminators,
t-pieces, coaxes, operating systems and cards are all okay.... but
just won't work together on the one machine unless you up the
terminator to 75 ohm....  


>Win9x can take some time to get the devices all resolved, particularly
>if you dont just run a simple config with just one protocol etc.

I've set up many a network in the past with no real problems.  With
this Computer I set up multiple protocols, single protocols, netBEUI
as default, IPX you name it, I tried it all..... with the 75 ohm
terminator, anything goes, the computer didn't care......

Anyway, after "process of elimination" testing to see if my other
(discarded) stuff was still all working, the only variable in the
equation each time was the 75 ohm terminator and with all the cards &
cables tried... the new terminator fixed the problem "every" time....
So I guess that something bazare is going on with my recent addition
to the network and this machine is an exception to the normal rule,
falling into one of the unsolved mysteries like the Pyramids, Bermuda
Triangle, etc....

Regards
Steve
 

Steven Q <steven-q@senet.com.au> wrote in message news:383ddcb9.1548500@news.senet.com.au...

>> Bet you can now put the 50 ohm terminator back and it
>> will still work. If it doesnt, you've got a problem with the
>> coax segment going to that T or even with the T itself.

> No, You lost that bet Rod, it don't work when you put the 50
> ohm terminator back.....  Also I've tried another 2 pieces of coax
> as well and get the same result, also I've tried around 4 different
> 50 ohm terminators as well as T-peices......  to top it off, the 75
> ohm works with all 4 of my (previously discarded) network cards
> now that I've changed to a 75 ohm terminator, and all 3 pieces of
> coax have also been tested working on other machines whether
> they have 95 or 98 installed and with 50 ohm terminators.....

You sure the coax is 50 ohm coax and not 75 ohm coax ?

> The terminators do read at 50 ohm when measured
> (well actually 51.4 ohm to be exact)......  So to sum it all up.....
> The terminators, t-pieces, coaxes, operating systems and cards are all okay....

You dont know that from that evidence cited on the coax.

> but just won't work together on the one machine
> unless you up the terminator to 75 ohm....

Surely you must realise that that cant be true with 50 ohm coax used.

>> Win9x can take some time to get the devices all resolved, particularly
>> if you dont just run a simple config with just one protocol etc.

> I've set up many a network in the past with no real problems.
> With this Computer I set up multiple protocols, single protocols,
> netBEUI as default, IPX you name it, I tried it all..... with the
> 75 ohm terminator, anything goes, the computer didn't care......

> Anyway, after "process of elimination" testing to see if my
> other (discarded) stuff was still all working, the only variable
> in the equation each time was the 75 ohm terminator and
> with all the cards & cables tried... the new terminator fixed
> the problem "every" time.... So I guess that something bazare
> is going on with my recent addition to the network and this
> machine is an exception to the normal rule, falling into one of
> the unsolved mysteries like the Pyramids, Bermuda Triangle, etc....

It dont work like that. There is ALWAYS a logical explanation
which can be found with sufficiently careful testing.

Most likely its not 50 ohm coax. Not hard when 75
ohm coax is so widely used in the TV industry etc.