🚀 go-pugleaf

On 28 Mar 1998, Karl Denninger wrote:

> In article <Pine.BSF.3.95.980327165042.7458B-100000@mercury.mcs.net>,
> Michael Walden  <walden@Mercury.mcs.net> wrote:
> >> ISPs playing this game as an attempt to extort more money from people and
> >> circumvent the allocation guidelines should be reported to ARIN for two
> >> reasons - (1) you have no reason to pay for the addresses (the cost per
> >> address to the ISP even if they have to get an ARIN membership is on the 
> >> order of a one-time fee of $0.02 per IP number), and 
> >
> >The rest of the post was accurate except the above. The above is not true
> >for ISP's. It is true for individual entities getting IP space from ARIN
> >but not ISP's, IPS's are billed the following.
> >
> >ISP Subscriptions for Bulk Registrations
> >
> >Small		$2500/year /24 - /19 
> >Medium 		$5000/year >/19 - /16 
> 
> A /19 is 32 Class "C"s.  32 * 256 = 8192
> 5000 / 8192 = 0.63 one time.
> 
> >Large 		$10K/year  >/16 - /14
> 
> A /16 is 256 * 256 addresses, or 65536
> Or ~0.15 cents, again, one time.
> 
> >X-Large		$20K/year  >/14
> 
> A /14 is 1024 * 256 addresses.  Do the math. (~0.08/address)
> 
> >http://www.arin.net/feeschedule.html
> >
> >It is surprising that someone on the ARIN AC does not know this. Oh well,
> >we will just not re-elect you when your term is up. Democracy is our
> >friend.
> 
> You only need to pay the fees if you come BACK for allocation during
> that year.  If you are stable, and not asking for more space, you do not
> need to signup for these fees.
> 
> That is, the fees are actually one-time.  If you do not need to request more
> space in a given year, you do not need to pay that fee, because you are not
> using the allocation service.
> 
> They are quoted as "$/year" because it is presumed that you will be using
> them in a given year.
> 
> Now, given that you would pay, for example, 8 cents to have the address
> allocated ONCE, what is this crap about charging someone $5/month for it?
> 
> That's quite a margin, is it not?
> 

I agree that it is absolutely lame for an ISP to charge for ip addresses.
Now I read what you said about the IP space and if that is the case then
the ARIN webpage is completely misleading. Now I also attended the ARIN
members meeting two weeks ago and that charge per year was also the
impression that I got. However, the Arin meeting was so arcane that anyone
could have gotten the wrong impression. Sorry to see you weren't there but
Kim said that you did not attend these things. :)