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PROPOSAL: creation of group alt.lang.basic.ca-realizer
 
Purpose: Discussion and questions about the applications 
         programming language "CA-Realizer" from Computer 
         Associates.  CA-Realizer is a graphically oriented 
         programming environment consisting of a "form" generator
         that creates code for dialog and information boxes and 
         a programming language compiler for a superset of the
         Basic programming language.  The application sells in
         computer stores and provides both an OS/2 and MS-Windows
         environment in the same package.
 
Reason for creating this newsgroup:
         The CA-Realizer programming language is a feature-rich 
         system for designing applications.  It is essentially a 
         competing package to Visual Basic, but runs under both MS 
         Windows and OS/2.  As such it operates differently from
         Visual Basic and includes different features and poses 
         different questions as well as different conditions.  The
         issues involved are similar but are different enough as
         to cause confusion if discussed under the banner of
         visual basic since the examples for one system may not
         work on the other.
 
Why other groups are not sufficient:  
 
         Some other groups dealing with the basic language include
         comp.lang.basic.misc, alt.lang.basic, comp.lang.basic.visual. 
 
         These other groups (except .visual) deal with all forms of
         Basic, and may or may not have the focus to deal with a GUI-based
         programming environment which provides much more than just a 
         compiler.  Also, they would probably not have the focus to deal
         with a specialized application.  (This is probably why Visual
         Basic has its own group.)  CA-Realizer is a visual applications 
         generating tool as well as a superset of the Basic Programming 
         Language.  In that respect, it is similar to Visual Basic, but 
         is different enough to be a separate language.  It does 
         support forms,  events, selection issues and access to 
         databases and file formats compatible with other applications 
         such as the DBASE/XBASE format and Lotus 1-2-3 spreadsheets.
 
         The only other group even close to this is the group for
         Visual Basic, comp.lang.basic.visual, but as the focus of
         that group is toward the Visual Basic language, many of the
         ideas and concepts are useless for CA-Realizer since the
         language is not identical.  
 
         I discovered that there is a significant difference when I 
         posted a question about this on the Visual Basic news group 
         that there would be very little in the way of help since high 
         volume of messages makes questions directly related to that
         application would make questions about CA-Realizer hard to 
         notice.
 
         Also, since Realizer comes in both OS/2 and Windows 
         applications, OS/2-related problems are outside the scope of 
         the Visual Basic newsgroup, since VB only runs under Windows.
         But CA-Realizer creates applications that can be run on either 
         system and allows for the creation of .EXE applications not 
         requiring the original compiler.
 
Other Outlets:
 
         There is a discussion group on CA-Realizer on Compuserve.  That
         group is supported by CA.
 
Status of Proposed Group:
 
         The proposed group is proposed to be unmoderated.
 
I would - subject to there being a consensus that this is acceptable - 
create this newsgroup within a couple of weeks.
 
Please refer further comments on this issue to the newsgroup alt.config
and/or to news.groups.  Persons not having newsgroup posting capability may
mail comments to the following addresses:
 
alt.config.usenet@decwrl.dec.com 
 
   and / or
 
news.groups.usenet@decwrl.dec.com
 
Thank you for your consideration.
Paul Robinson 
 
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