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Kenneth@victrola.com (Kenneth Keeton) wrote:

>        I am wanting to copy all the files from the C:\ drive to the 2.1gig 
>D:\ drive.  I have herd that some people have had some real problems doing 
>this.  I need to know how, in detail, to copy the files to the D:\ drive, 
>moving all the hidden and system files so as to make the D:\ drive in to the 
>C:\ drive.  I would also need to know how to also make the D:\ drive the C:\ 
>drive and all the changes to the system file, partitions and jumpers that need 
>to be made to do this, also any information on how to make the 420mb hard 
>drive run from the 2.1gig so that the 2.1gig would be the C:\ drive and the 
>420mb would be the D:\ drive in the end.

If you eventually want to boot from the new drive you should copy the
system files to it.  You can do this either when you format it or by
typing SYS D: at the command line.

From Windows95, start an MS-DOS session and type:

XCOPY C:\ D:\ /E /H /K

Assuming the drives are IDE, to swap the them over you need to set the
drive you want as  drive C: to be the master and D: as the slave.  

This is acheived via a set of jumpers located on the drive.  These are
usually marked on the casing but if it's unclear post the make and
model numbers and someone should be able to give you more details.

Cheers,
       >iv< Paul >iv<

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wtilghma@ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu (wtilghma) wrote:

>> From Windows95, start an MS-DOS session and type:

>> XCOPY C:\ D:\ /E /H /K

>In order to avoid having to open up the case and change jumpers *after*
>installing the new drive, you might want to try completing the hardware
>installation first, then booting from a floppy to do all of the setup and
>data transfer.  I know I did this successfully last year, but I'm still
>depending on my memory here (others please correct me as necessary):

Before anybody tries this.. STOP!!!!!!

The reason my procedure swaps the drives AFTER copying is that you
*CAN'T* do it the other way round.

XCOPY has a sister program, XCOPY32, which will ONLY run from an
MS-DOS prompt within Win95.  Or at least, I've never found a way of
running from a command line without starting the GUI.  If I'm wrong
I'd like to know how it's done.

XCOPY32 is used automatically if you execute XCOPY from within Win95,
otherwise the normal DOS version is used.  The normal version, in
addition to not copying long file names, doesn't support the /H and /K
switches which are needed to copy the hidden files in a Win95 system
and keep all the file attributes intact.

Cheers,
       >iv< Paul >iv<

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wtilghma@ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu (wtilghma) wrote:

>> From Windows95, start an MS-DOS session and type:

>> XCOPY C:\ D:\ /E /H /K

>In order to avoid having to open up the case and change jumpers *after*
>installing the new drive, you might want to try completing the hardware
>installation first, then booting from a floppy to do all of the setup and
>data transfer.  I know I did this successfully last year, but I'm still
>depending on my memory here (others please correct me as necessary):

Before anybody tries this.. STOP!!!!!!

The reason my procedure swaps the drives AFTER copying is that you
*CAN'T* do it the other way round.

XCOPY has a sister program, XCOPY32, which will ONLY run from an
MS-DOS prompt within Win95.  Or at least, I've never found a way of
running from a command line without starting the GUI.  If I'm wrong
I'd like to know how it's done.

XCOPY32 is used automatically if you execute XCOPY from within Win95,
otherwise the normal DOS version is used.  The normal version, in
addition to not copying long file names, doesn't support the /H and /K
switches which are needed to copy the hidden files in a Win95 system
and keep all the file attributes intact.

Cheers,
       >iv< Paul >iv<

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Paul Hopwood (paul@wall.demon.co.uk) wrote:
> Kenneth@victrola.com (Kenneth Keeton) wrote:

> >        I am wanting to copy all the files from the C:\ drive to the 2.1gig 
> >D:\ drive.  I have herd that some people have had some real problems doing 
> >this.  I need to know how, in detail, to copy the files to the D:\ drive, 

> From Windows95, start an MS-DOS session and type:

> XCOPY C:\ D:\ /E /H /K

> Assuming the drives are IDE, to swap the them over you need to set the
> drive you want as  drive C: to be the master and D: as the slave.  

> This is acheived via a set of jumpers located on the drive.  These are
> usually marked on the casing but if it's unclear post the make and
> model numbers and someone should be able to give you more details.

> Cheers,
>        >iv< Paul >iv<

In order to avoid having to open up the case and change jumpers *after*
installing the new drive, you might want to try completing the hardware
installation first, then booting from a floppy to do all of the setup and
data transfer.  I know I did this successfully last year, but I'm still
depending on my memory here (others please correct me as necessary):

Before doing anything, create a system floppy (format a: /s) and also copy
the DOS commands format, fdisk, chkdsk, and xcopy to it.  Then install the
new drive, setting the jumpers so it's the master and your old drive's the
slave.  Boot from the floppy drive and run fdisk from there to partition
the new drive (be careful that you've got the right drive chosen so you
don't ruin your old drive). You can then format the new drive as a system
drive (again, be careful with drive designations) and use xcopy (as
instructed in the previous post, except exchanging the drive letters) to
duplicate all of the files from the old drive to the new drive.  (As a
bonus, the new drive will be freshly defragmented.) You should then be
able to boot from your new drive, although I found when I did this that
Win3.1 complained about a corrupted swap file, so I had to recreate it.  I
don't know what sort of things Win95 might complain about, but you could
always go in and make your old drive the master again and see if you can
fix things. In any case, I would leave the old drive alone for a while 
until you're certain that everything works on the new drive.

Bill Tilghman **** Indiana University **** wtilghma@indiana.edu

In article <53dm2i$a3b@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu>, wtilghma <wtilghma@ezinf
o.ucs.indiana.edu> writes
>Paul Hopwood (paul@wall.demon.co.uk) wrote:
>> Kenneth@victrola.com (Kenneth Keeton) wrote:
I would add that it is best to use xcopy32 in case you have used
filenames outside the 8.3 format.
I understand that xcopy may cause problems with long names
-- 
Peter M. Walsh

In article <53a640$b6l@ddi2.digital.net>,
Kenneth Keeton <kenneth@victrola.com> wrote:
>Hello, 
>        I am up-grading my system to a 2.1gig hard drive.  I now have a 420mb 
>hard drive as the C:\ drive and am adding the 2.1 drive as the D:\ drive.  I 
>am using Windows 95.  

After emailing my response to Kenneth, I thought I might post how I did 
it, which worked quite well for me, in case anyone else is interested.

--------------------
>
>        I am wanting to copy all the files from the C:\ drive to the 2.1gig 
>D:\ drive.  I have herd that some people have had some real problems doing 
>this.  I need to know how, in detail, to copy the files to the D:\ drive, 
>moving all the hidden and system files so as to make the D:\ drive in to the 
>C:\ drive.  I would also need to know how to also make the D:\ drive the C:\ 
>drive and all the changes to the system file, partitions and jumpers that need 
>to be made to do this, also any information on how to make the 420mb hard 
>drive run from the 2.1gig so that the 2.1gig would be the C:\ drive and the 
>420mb would be the D:\ drive in the end.

OK, I'll give it a shot.  I did this a while back, and had no problems. 
Here's the steps as best I can enumerate them.  IF ANYONE SPOTS ANY 
ERRORS, by all means, speak up. :)

	-  I take it these are IDE drives.  To hook both of them up, the 
420 must first be set as the master and the 2.1 as the slave.  Usually 
set by jumpers on the drives.  See the drive documentation for this.

	-  Install the 2.1.  Hook the data cable up to the extra plug on the
data cable that's currently hooked to the 420.  Make sure the side of the
ribbon that is colored red, lines up w/ the number 1 pin on the drive.  Plug
a spare power plug into the drive.  If your computer auto-detects drives,
move to the next step.  If not, you'll have to enter the CMOS setup, and
give the computer all the info on the new drive. 

	-  Start the computer and get to the DOS prompt, either by 
booting from a Win95 Start-up floppy, or pressing F8 on bootup and 
selecting "Command prompt only".

	-  Run "fdisk".  This will be on the start-up floppy or in the 
windows\command directory on the C: drive.  This program will partition 
the 2.1 drive.  You can select the entire drive to be a single partition, 
or break it up into smaller partitions, each of which can be assigned a 
drive letter.  Let's assume you want a single partition.  (Somewhere in 
the following, you will have to tell fdisk which drive to work on.  I 
can't give you the exact menu wording since my system only has a single 
drive in it.  I believe you do this from the main fdisk menu.  You'll 
select an option like "Select disk drive" and it will display the current 
drive info.  Some stuff about your C: drive, and then info on the new 
drive which is not partitioned yet.  Select that new drive.)  From the main 
menu in fdisk, select "Create DOS partition or Logical DOS drive".  Then 
"Create Primary DOS Partition".  Fdisk will ask if you want to use the 
entire drive for the primary partition -- select yes.  It will at some 
point around here give you a warning message about proceeding.  As long as 
you're sure it's working on the correct drive, go ahead.  Finally, Select 
"Set active partition", and set the only partition as active. 

	- When completed, reboot the computer to the dos prompt, and run 
"format d:", which will format the new drive.  Once formatted, run the 
command "sys d:", which will transfer the system files to the D: drive so 
it now can be a bootable drive.  Again, format and sys will be on the 
start-up floppy or in the windows\command directory on the C: drive.

	-  Reboot the computer to Win95.  Open Explorer.  Select
View|Options, and under "Hidden Files" select "Show all files", and click
OK.  Click on the C:  root directory in the left pane.  The right pane
will now show all the files and folders in the root directory of the C:
drive.  Highlight all the folders and files in the right pane.  Scroll 
through the left pane until the D: drive icon is visible.  Then drag 
everything from the right pane (C:\ directory) to the D: drive icon in 
the left pane.  Sit back and let it do its stuff.

	-  When it's done, exit Win95 and shut down the machine.  Reverse 
the slave/master settings on the drives so the 2.1 is now the master, and 
the 420 the slave.  Reboot the machine, and go through the CMOS setup 
again if necessary. Finish rebooting, and you should now have a 2.1 as 
the C:, with all of the files that were on the 420, and the 420 should 
show as the D: drive.

Good luck, and again, wait to get as many responses as possible before 
proceeding.  There may be a small step or two that I've omitted.

-- 
Paul F. Schikora
School of Business
Indiana University


-- 
Paul F. Schikora
School of Business
Indiana University

Kenneth@victrola.com (Kenneth Keeton) wrote:

;>Hello, 
;>        I am up-grading my system to a 2.1gig hard drive.  I now
have a 420mb 
;>hard drive as the C:\ drive and am adding the 2.1 drive as the D:\
drive.  I 
;>am using Windows 95.  

;>        I am wanting to copy all the files from the C:\ drive to the
2.1gig 
;>D:\ drive.  I have herd that some people have had some real problems
doing 
;>this.  I need to know how, in detail, to copy the files to the D:\
drive, 
;>moving all the hidden and system files so as to make the D:\ drive
in to the 
;>C:\ drive.  I would also need to know how to also make the D:\ drive
the C:\ 
;>drive and all the changes to the system file, partitions and jumpers
that need 
;>to be made to do this, also any information on how to make the 420mb
hard 
;>drive run from the 2.1gig so that the 2.1gig would be the C:\ drive
and the 
;>420mb would be the D:\ drive in the end.

I don't know the jumpers for your hard drives.  But the rest of the
info is here.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Here is a solution that was posted by a user in Belgium whose name is
Yves  that I have tried a couple of time and it has worked:

Install the new drive as slave.

Boot win95, open a dos box, launch FDISK, select drive 2, make a new
partition.

Exit dos box, reboot, now the drive is recognized in Win95.

Open dos box, do a FORMAT D:/s.

Stay in dos box, do a c:\windows\command\XCOPY c: d: /s/e/c/r/h/k.
Everything is now copied from your old drive to the new one including
hidden and system files, registry and long filenames. Xcopy
automaticaly launch Xcopy32 because you are in a dos box under Win95
with VFAT active. The only file no copied is obviously the swap file
but this is not a problem because it is re-generated at each boot.

Remove the old drive, make the new one Master or Stand-alone.

Boot with your Win95 emergency startup disk in drive A: and launch
FDISK, make the partition active and reboot.

Now your pc reboots Win 95 on your new drive without any further
problems.

The only catch is that if you have an old non-LBA bios, there are some
additional steps involved to prepare the new drive with EZ-DRIVE or
Disk Manager but the general idea is still valid and instead of using
a third party partitioner, you should buy a new EIDE controller with
bios replacement (about 50$).

wtilghma wrote:

>In order to avoid having to open up the case and change jumpers *after*
>installing the new drive, you might want to try completing the hardware
>installation first, then booting from a floppy to do all of the setup and
>data transfer.  I know I did this successfully last year, but I'm still
>depending on my memory here (others please correct me as necessary):
From a floppy boot DOS is not running in a 32 bit file system, and
will not support long file names, nor will Xcopy copy hidden files or
maintain file attributes.
So trying to make a new hard disk that way is extremely fraught, and
likely to be unsuccesful.  You must have had a miracle around that day
if you succeeded <g>

I find the easiest way of moving the whole contents of one drive to
another is Explorer - with windows on each drive, select all (making
sure hidden files are visible) and right-drag / copy here.

-- 
Alex Nichol

alexn@dial.pipex.com
Bournemouth UK

Paul Hopwood (paul@wall.demon.co.uk) wrote:
> wtilghma@ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu (wtilghma) wrote:

> >In order to avoid having to open up the case and change jumpers *after*
> >installing the new drive, you might want to try completing the hardware
> >installation first, then booting from a floppy to do all of the setup and
> >data transfer.

> Before anybody tries this.. STOP!!!!!!

> The reason my procedure swaps the drives AFTER copying is that you
> *CAN'T* do it the other way round.

Win95 obviously has a greater effect on the procedure than I had 
imagined.  Thanks for the correction, Paul.

--
Bill Tilghman **** Indiana University **** wtilghma@indiana.edu

wtilghma (wtilghma@ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu) wrote:
>Paul Hopwood (paul@wall.demon.co.uk) wrote:
>> wtilghma@ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu (wtilghma) wrote:

>> >In order to avoid having to open up the case and change jumpers *after*

>> The reason my procedure swaps the drives AFTER copying is that you
>> *CAN'T* do it the other way round.

>Win95 obviously has a greater effect on the procedure than I had 
>imagined.  Thanks for the correction, Paul.

Not just Win95.  Just try booting up from the new and very blank drive.
It has to have something put on it before it becomes the primary.

sdb

paul@wall.demon.co.uk (Paul Hopwood) wrote:

>Kenneth@victrola.com (Kenneth Keeton) wrote:

>>        I am wanting to copy all the files from the C:\ drive to the 2.1gig 
>>D:\ drive.  I have herd that some people have had some real problems doing 
>>this.  I need to know how, in detail, to copy the files to the D:\ drive, 
>>moving all the hidden and system files so as to make the D:\ drive in to the 
>>C:\ drive.  I would also need to know how to also make the D:\ drive the C:\ 
>>drive and all the changes to the system file, partitions and jumpers that need 
>>to be made to do this, also any information on how to make the 420mb hard 
>>drive run from the 2.1gig so that the 2.1gig would be the C:\ drive and the 
>>420mb would be the D:\ drive in the end.

>If you eventually want to boot from the new drive you should copy the
>system files to it.  You can do this either when you format it or by
>typing SYS D: at the command line.

>From Windows95, start an MS-DOS session and type:

>XCOPY C:\ D:\ /E /H /K

>Assuming the drives are IDE, to swap the them over you need to set the
>drive you want as  drive C: to be the master and D: as the slave.  

>This is acheived via a set of jumpers located on the drive.  These are
>usually marked on the casing but if it's unclear post the make and
>model numbers and someone should be able to give you more details.

>Cheers,
>       >iv< Paul >iv<

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What would I do if I have a new SCSI drive and I'm trying to copy all
my files over from my old IDE to the SCSI?

> 
> What would I do if I have a new SCSI drive and I'm trying to copy all
> my files over from my old IDE to the SCSI?

If there is a primary partition (necessary to boot) on both disks, then
the one on the ide-drive will always be c:

Res