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Bob Stevens wrote:
> 
> is there any hope??????


If you can get your hands on m$ dos 6 undelete program then that can get
files back. I have found it won't work under 98, nor on any fat 32
drives, but win95a/original win95 and even dos (!!!!) it works fine. I
guess its a floppy disk, or zip or something, so the ms undelete should
work.

To use the undelete program you have to be in dos mode (NOT a dos box),
and have to fiddle with the lock command to let programs play with the
drive, or windows (dos 7) will stop the computer, and you have to
reboot.
-- 
Nick

Remove .SPANKYSPAM from my email address to reply......

How brave are you?

There is a tool that comes with any version of DOS/WINDOWS called DEBUG.EXE
and it can do the job for you but it can also do a job on you if you are not
very careful with it's powerful commands that are build in.

Here is what you will have to do:

From DOS prompt enter DEBUG.  You will get a dash "-" for a prompt. You can
get some idea what commands it has by typing "?" question mark. DO NOT USE
ANY COMMANDS HERE except the commands I will tell you to use.

Original disk had the following files on it: (use dir /a to see hidden and
system files)

IO.SYS
MSDOS.SYS
COMMAND.COM
DRVSPACE.BIN

Then I have deleted the COMMAND.COM

enter

-L100 0 13 F <enter>

L is Load, 100 is memory offset location, 0 is drive A (1 would be B, 80
would be C, 81 would be D), 13 is the starting sector where directory is
stored and F is the number of sectors to read. All numbers are Hexadecimal.


-D100

at this point you will see

1678:0100  49 4F 20 20 20 20 20 20-53 59 53 27 00 00 00 00   IO
SYS'....
1678:0110  00 00 00 00 00 00 C0 B2-97 26 02 00 B6 64 03 00
.........&...d..
1678:0120  4D 53 44 4F 53 20 20 20-53 59 53 27 00 00 00 00   MSDOS
SYS'....
1678:0130  00 00 00 00 00 00 C0 B2-97 26 B5 01 09 00 00 00
.........&......
1678:0140  E5 4F 4D 4D 41 4E 44 20-43 4F 4D 20 00 00 00 00   .OMMAND COM
....
1678:0150  00 00 00 00 00 00 C0 B2-97 26 B6 01 C2 6E 01 00
.........&...n..
1678:0160  44 52 56 53 50 41 43 45-42 49 4E 27 00 00 00 00
DRVSPACEBIN'....
1678:0170  00 00 00 00 00 00 C0 B2-97 26 6E 02 07 0D 01 00
.........&n.....

(sorry about the format but it will align better in DEBUG)

Notice that on the right column you see what looks like the file names and
the COMMAND.COM is missing the letter C.  If you look to the right of the
same line you will see some numbers there

1678:0140 E5 4F

On your PC the first four numbers may be different but you will see 140.
Right next to 140 is E5. This is a DELETED FILE marker that we will simply
replace with the original letter C with the command

-E140 "C" <enter>

if you now use the D command (dump) you will see that our file is back

-D100

1678:0100  49 4F 20 20 20 20 20 20-53 59 53 27 00 00 00 00   IO
SYS'....
1678:0110  00 00 00 00 00 00 C0 B2-97 26 02 00 B6 64 03 00
.........&...d..
1678:0120  4D 53 44 4F 53 20 20 20-53 59 53 27 00 00 00 00   MSDOS
SYS'....
1678:0130  00 00 00 00 00 00 C0 B2-97 26 B5 01 09 00 00 00
.........&......
1678:0140  43 4F 4D 4D 41 4E 44 20-43 4F 4D 20 00 00 00 00   COMMAND COM
....
1678:0150  00 00 00 00 00 00 C0 B2-97 26 B6 01 C2 6E 01 00
.........&...n..
1678:0160  44 52 56 53 50 41 43 45-42 49 4E 27 00 00 00 00
DRVSPACEBIN'....
1678:0170  00 00 00 00 00 00 C0 B2-97 26 6E 02 07 0D 01 00
.........&n.....


If you do not see the file you wish to undelete then keep pressing -D until
you get to the name you are looking for

-d <enter>

Once you are done, all we have to do is write it back to the disk with Write
command.

THIS IS THE EXTREMELY DANGEROUS PART SO DO NOT MAKE MISTAKE HERE. Entering
the wrong number may make your diskette unusable.

-W100 0 13 F <enter>


to exit type

-Q <enter>

C:\

--

Pavel

Genlee@hotmail.com

Bob Stevens <imp37@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7omh4t$qmk$1@toto.tig.com.au...
> ok...a friend went trigger happy with the del command on a floppy disk and
> now is crying to get a file back....
> i told him to remove the disk immediately and not to touch it until i came
> back with an answer....
>
> so i know i have a disk with deleted files and no futher disk activity...
>
> how do i get the disk back in Win95, Win98, W2K????
>
> is there any hope??????
>
>
> thanks in advance...
>
> BOB
>
>

i got hold of undelete.exe from www.shareware.com or somewhere. used it in
dos mode in 98 (had to restart to get to dos mode) and it allwent well...

andy nash

Nick Hall <nick@vw-beetle.freeserve.co.uk.SPANKYSPAM> wrote in message
news:37AF4C72.19A86BC2@vw-beetle.freeserve.co.uk.SPANKYSPAM...
> Bob Stevens wrote:
> >
> > is there any hope??????
>
>
> If you can get your hands on m$ dos 6 undelete program then that can get
> files back. I have found it won't work under 98, nor on any fat 32
> drives, but win95a/original win95 and even dos (!!!!) it works fine. I
> guess its a floppy disk, or zip or something, so the ms undelete should
> work.
>
> To use the undelete program you have to be in dos mode (NOT a dos box),
> and have to fiddle with the lock command to let programs play with the
> drive, or windows (dos 7) will stop the computer, and you have to
> reboot.
> --
> Nick
>
> Remove .SPANKYSPAM from my email address to reply......
>
>

JRS:  In article <7omh4t$qmk$1@toto.tig.com.au> of Mon, 9 Aug 1999
19:28:52 in news:demon.ip.support.win95, Bob Stevens <imp37@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>ok...a friend went trigger happy with the del command on a floppy disk and
>now is crying to get a file back....
>i told him to remove the disk immediately and not to touch it until i came
>back with an answer....

Correct.

>so i know i have a disk with deleted files and no futher disk activity...
>
>how do i get the disk back in Win95, Win98, W2K????

Do NOT try to recover the file from the disc, unless you know EXACTLY
what you are doing.

Make the disc Read-Only.

Use DOS to make a DISKCOPY (or several) of the disc, and attempt
recovery from those.  That way, you can blunder as often as you like
while retaining the original disc.

Don't post to so many newsgroups.
 
-- 
 � John Stockton, Surrey, UK.  jrs@merlyn.demon.co.uk   Turnpike v4.00   MIME. �
  <URL: http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/> TP/BP/Delphi/&c. FAQqish topics, links.
  Timo's TurboPascal <A HREF="ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/link/tsfaqp.zip">FAQ</A>.
  <A HREF="http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/clpb-faq.txt">Mini-FAQ</A> of c.l.p.b.

OK so *you* obviously know how to use DEBUG, but if Bob can get his hands on
a copy of DEBUG.EXE then he can just as easily get his hands on a copy of
UNDELETE.EXE, which is
a) Much easier,
b) Much faster, and
c) Much more reliable than pissing about with unusable DOS 4.0 commands like
DEBUG.
Also, UNDELETE.EXE is available through the NT Resource Kit and in MS-DOS
versions 5.0 and onwards.

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Pavel <genlee@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OTah3cs4#GA.234@cppssbbsa03...
> How brave are you?
>
> There is a tool that comes with any version of DOS/WINDOWS called
DEBUG.EXE
> and it can do the job for you but it can also do a job on you if you are
not
> very careful with it's powerful commands that are build in.
>
> Here is what you will have to do:
>
> From DOS prompt enter DEBUG.  You will get a dash "-" for a prompt. You
can
> get some idea what commands it has by typing "?" question mark. DO NOT USE
> ANY COMMANDS HERE except the commands I will tell you to use.
>
> Original disk had the following files on it: (use dir /a to see hidden and
> system files)
>
> IO.SYS
> MSDOS.SYS
> COMMAND.COM
> DRVSPACE.BIN
>
> Then I have deleted the COMMAND.COM
>
> enter
>
> -L100 0 13 F <enter>
>
> L is Load, 100 is memory offset location, 0 is drive A (1 would be B, 80
> would be C, 81 would be D), 13 is the starting sector where directory is
> stored and F is the number of sectors to read. All numbers are
Hexadecimal.
>
>
> -D100
>
> at this point you will see
>
> 1678:0100  49 4F 20 20 20 20 20 20-53 59 53 27 00 00 00 00   IO
> SYS'....
> 1678:0110  00 00 00 00 00 00 C0 B2-97 26 02 00 B6 64 03 00
> .........&...d..
> 1678:0120  4D 53 44 4F 53 20 20 20-53 59 53 27 00 00 00 00   MSDOS
> SYS'....
> 1678:0130  00 00 00 00 00 00 C0 B2-97 26 B5 01 09 00 00 00
> .........&......
> 1678:0140  E5 4F 4D 4D 41 4E 44 20-43 4F 4D 20 00 00 00 00   .OMMAND COM
> ....
> 1678:0150  00 00 00 00 00 00 C0 B2-97 26 B6 01 C2 6E 01 00
> .........&...n..
> 1678:0160  44 52 56 53 50 41 43 45-42 49 4E 27 00 00 00 00
> DRVSPACEBIN'....
> 1678:0170  00 00 00 00 00 00 C0 B2-97 26 6E 02 07 0D 01 00
> .........&n.....
>
> (sorry about the format but it will align better in DEBUG)
>
> Notice that on the right column you see what looks like the file names and
> the COMMAND.COM is missing the letter C.  If you look to the right of the
> same line you will see some numbers there
>
> 1678:0140 E5 4F
>
> On your PC the first four numbers may be different but you will see 140.
> Right next to 140 is E5. This is a DELETED FILE marker that we will simply
> replace with the original letter C with the command
>
> -E140 "C" <enter>
>
> if you now use the D command (dump) you will see that our file is back
>
> -D100
>
> 1678:0100  49 4F 20 20 20 20 20 20-53 59 53 27 00 00 00 00   IO
> SYS'....
> 1678:0110  00 00 00 00 00 00 C0 B2-97 26 02 00 B6 64 03 00
> .........&...d..
> 1678:0120  4D 53 44 4F 53 20 20 20-53 59 53 27 00 00 00 00   MSDOS
> SYS'....
> 1678:0130  00 00 00 00 00 00 C0 B2-97 26 B5 01 09 00 00 00
> .........&......
> 1678:0140  43 4F 4D 4D 41 4E 44 20-43 4F 4D 20 00 00 00 00   COMMAND COM
> ....
> 1678:0150  00 00 00 00 00 00 C0 B2-97 26 B6 01 C2 6E 01 00
> .........&...n..
> 1678:0160  44 52 56 53 50 41 43 45-42 49 4E 27 00 00 00 00
> DRVSPACEBIN'....
> 1678:0170  00 00 00 00 00 00 C0 B2-97 26 6E 02 07 0D 01 00
> .........&n.....
>
>
> If you do not see the file you wish to undelete then keep pressing -D
until
> you get to the name you are looking for
>
> -d <enter>
>
> Once you are done, all we have to do is write it back to the disk with
Write
> command.
>
> THIS IS THE EXTREMELY DANGEROUS PART SO DO NOT MAKE MISTAKE HERE. Entering
> the wrong number may make your diskette unusable.
>
> -W100 0 13 F <enter>
>
>
> to exit type
>
> -Q <enter>
>
> C:\
>
> --
>
> Pavel
>
> Genlee@hotmail.com
>
> Bob Stevens <imp37@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7omh4t$qmk$1@toto.tig.com.au...
> > ok...a friend went trigger happy with the del command on a floppy disk
and
> > now is crying to get a file back....
> > i told him to remove the disk immediately and not to touch it until i
came
> > back with an answer....
> >
> > so i know i have a disk with deleted files and no futher disk
activity...
> >
> > how do i get the disk back in Win95, Win98, W2K????
> >
> > is there any hope??????
> >
> >
> > thanks in advance...
> >
> > BOB
> >
> >
>
>

Azz posted:
> OK so *you* obviously know how to use DEBUG, but if Bob can get his hands on
> a copy of DEBUG.EXE then he can just as easily get his hands on a copy of
> UNDELETE.EXE, which is
> a) Much easier,
> b) Much faster, and
> c) Much more reliable than pissing about with unusable DOS 4.0 commands like
> DEBUG.
> Also, UNDELETE.EXE is available through the NT Resource Kit and in MS-DOS
> versions 5.0 and onwards.

My memory is fading, but wasn't there also something about
clusters belonging to that file being marked free in the FAT when
it was deleted?

UNDELETE would check if no clusters were reused for another file
after the deletion (avoiding cross-linked files), and would mark
them in use again when undeleting (so no cross-links pop up
later).

Or something like that - like I said, my memory is fading.

-- 

"Walking on water and developing software to specification are
easy as long as both are frozen" - Edward V. Berard.

Yeah, Luc, that's correct. The problem was: UnDelete required that the file
hadn't been fragmented (as it could only guess, it thought the file
consisted of one series of clusters, which is a quite fair guess).


Moral: Do NEVER delete a file you think you'll ever need. (Maybe I should
write that 20 times a day or so to remember it when it's good to remember
it)
Luc Van der Veken <lucvdv@null.net> wrote in message
news:37b1bf9f.456706@msnews.microsoft.com...
> Azz posted:
> > OK so *you* obviously know how to use DEBUG, but if Bob can get his
hands on
> > a copy of DEBUG.EXE then he can just as easily get his hands on a copy
of
> > UNDELETE.EXE, which is
> > a) Much easier,
> > b) Much faster, and
> > c) Much more reliable than pissing about with unusable DOS 4.0 commands
like
> > DEBUG.
> > Also, UNDELETE.EXE is available through the NT Resource Kit and in
MS-DOS
> > versions 5.0 and onwards.
>
> My memory is fading, but wasn't there also something about
> clusters belonging to that file being marked free in the FAT when
> it was deleted?
>
> UNDELETE would check if no clusters were reused for another file
> after the deletion (avoiding cross-linked files), and would mark
> them in use again when undeleting (so no cross-links pop up
> later).
>
> Or something like that - like I said, my memory is fading.
>
> --
>
> "Walking on water and developing software to specification are
> easy as long as both are frozen" - Edward V. Berard.

Why is this so hard?  I thought these damn things were supposed to get
easier to use and more user friendly!  I always had good luck with the
undelete option in Win3.1 (also with the disk editor in Norton
Utilities).  Where did the built-in stuff go?  This is a decrease in
functionality, not deletion of an outdated option.

-- 
Craig Ross (mailto:qz0c7t@ype.gmpt.gmeds.com)	(734) 481-5228 (Voice)
Advanced Power Transfer, GM Powertrain		(734) 481-5324 (Fax)

Speaking only for myself.  "It's" means "it is."  "Its" is possessive.

Hi,

missed the start of this thread, but can imagine ...

The functionality of good old UNDELETE (or UNERASE as Peter Norton
used to call it) was really a windfall from the way DOS's file system was
designed. Had the file system been designed a bit smarter, the unerase
function would have been a lot more successful in a lot more cases. But,
as it is, it still is quite useful to me, and I am glad to mention that the
NORTON UTILITIES to this day support the function - and can now happily
handle VFAT and FAT32 partitions as well. This should give you a hint
where to turn if you still have the floppy with the erased file on it.

As an aside, I happily bypass the recycle bin most of the time and use
Norton's unerase when I have to - there are exceptions to this rule, though.

Gerd



Craig Ross wrote in message <37BC05FB.2443@ype.gmpt.gmeds.com>...
>Why is this so hard?  I thought these damn things were supposed to get
>easier to use and more user friendly!  I always had good luck with the
>undelete option in Win3.1 (also with the disk editor in Norton
>Utilities).  Where did the built-in stuff go?  This is a decrease in
>functionality, not deletion of an outdated option.
>
>--
>Craig Ross (mailto:qz0c7t@ype.gmpt.gmeds.com) (734) 481-5228 (Voice)
>Advanced Power Transfer, GM Powertrain (734) 481-5324 (Fax)
>
>Speaking only for myself.  "It's" means "it is."  "Its" is possessive.

In article <37BC05FB.2443@ype.gmpt.gmeds.com>,
  Craig Ross <qz0c7t@ype.gmpt.gmeds.com> wrote:
> Why is this so hard?  I thought these damn things were supposed to get
> easier to use and more user friendly!  I always had good luck with the
> undelete option in Win3.1 (also with the disk editor in Norton
> Utilities).  Where did the built-in stuff go?  This is a decrease in
> functionality, not deletion of an outdated option.
>
> --
> Craig Ross (mailto:qz0c7t@ype.gmpt.gmeds.com)	(734) 481-5228 (Voice)
> Advanced Power Transfer, GM Powertrain		(734) 481-5324
(Fax)
>
> Speaking only for myself.  "It's" means "it is."  "Its" is possessive.
> I saw your posting and thought you may be interested in Recover98/NT,
a true undelete for Fat32 and NT.Have a look at
http://www.phoenixware.com Contact me, Robert Burns at 888-447-1291
ext.163 if you need any assistance. Hope this helps you solve some
problems in the future.
Also get a free Data Recovery tool "Media Test" software.
Determine if you have a physical or logical problem and the best means
of recovery.
Regards,
Robert Burns


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In article <7omh4t$qmk$1@toto.tig.com.au>,
  "Bob Stevens" <imp37@hotmail.com> wrote:
> ok...a friend went trigger happy with the del command on a floppy
disk and
> now is crying to get a file back....
> i told him to remove the disk immediately and not to touch it until i
came
> back with an answer....
>
> so i know i have a disk with deleted files and no futher disk
activity...
>
> how do i get the disk back in Win95, Win98, W2K????
>
> is there any hope??????
>
> thanks in advance...
>
> BOB
>
> I saw your posting and thought you may be interested in Recover98/NT,
a true undelete for Fat32 and NT.Have a look at
http://www.phoenixware.com Contact me, Robert Burns at 888-447-1291
ext.163 if you need any assistance. Hope this helps you solve some
problems in the future.
Also get a free Data Recovery tool "Media Test" software.
Determine if you have a physical or logical problem and the best means
of recovery.
Regards,
Robert Burns


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download undelete from here (Win95 supplemental utilities)
http://support.microsoft.com/download/support/mslfiles/OLDDOS.EXE

This is the same as the dos6.22 undelete, should work okay on a floppy.
--
Mark Dormer

http://www.angelfire.com/biz/serenitymacros

<rburns9@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:7q1gap$9u9$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <37BC05FB.2443@ype.gmpt.gmeds.com>,
>   Craig Ross <qz0c7t@ype.gmpt.gmeds.com> wrote:
> > Why is this so hard?  I thought these damn things were supposed to get
> > easier to use and more user friendly!  I always had good luck with the
> > undelete option in Win3.1 (also with the disk editor in Norton
> > Utilities).  Where did the built-in stuff go?  This is a decrease in
> > functionality, not deletion of an outdated option.
> >
> > --
> > Craig Ross (mailto:qz0c7t@ype.gmpt.gmeds.com) (734) 481-5228 (Voice)
> > Advanced Power Transfer, GM Powertrain (734) 481-5324
> (Fax)
> >
> > Speaking only for myself.  "It's" means "it is."  "Its" is possessive.
> > I saw your posting and thought you may be interested in Recover98/NT,
> a true undelete for Fat32 and NT.Have a look at
> http://www.phoenixware.com Contact me, Robert Burns at 888-447-1291
> ext.163 if you need any assistance. Hope this helps you solve some
> problems in the future.
> Also get a free Data Recovery tool "Media Test" software.
> Determine if you have a physical or logical problem and the best means
> of recovery.
> Regards,
> Robert Burns
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

> This is the same as the dos6.22 undelete, should work okay on a floppy.

Just on a floppy, not the hard drive?  I know someone in a similar fix.
--
Regards,
Tony
Developer/designer
www.csofm.com
We specialize in Medical and Construction office/web solutions

Come see the last best place, Billings, MT
www.csofm.com/blgsdine/

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mark Dormer <markdormer@one.net.au> wrote in message news:ORjefBL8#GA.196@cppssbbsa04...
>
> download undelete from here (Win95 supplemental utilities)
> http://support.microsoft.com/download/support/mslfiles/OLDDOS.EXE
>
> --
> Mark Dormer
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/biz/serenitymacros
>
> <rburns9@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:7q1gap$9u9$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > In article <37BC05FB.2443@ype.gmpt.gmeds.com>,
> >   Craig Ross <qz0c7t@ype.gmpt.gmeds.com> wrote:
> > > Why is this so hard?  I thought these damn things were supposed to get
> > > easier to use and more user friendly!  I always had good luck with the
> > > undelete option in Win3.1 (also with the disk editor in Norton
> > > Utilities).  Where did the built-in stuff go?  This is a decrease in
> > > functionality, not deletion of an outdated option.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Craig Ross (mailto:qz0c7t@ype.gmpt.gmeds.com) (734) 481-5228 (Voice)
> > > Advanced Power Transfer, GM Powertrain (734) 481-5324
> > (Fax)
> > >
> > > Speaking only for myself.  "It's" means "it is."  "Its" is possessive.
> > > I saw your posting and thought you may be interested in Recover98/NT,
> > a true undelete for Fat32 and NT.Have a look at
> > http://www.phoenixware.com Contact me, Robert Burns at 888-447-1291
> > ext.163 if you need any assistance. Hope this helps you solve some
> > problems in the future.
> > Also get a free Data Recovery tool "Media Test" software.
> > Determine if you have a physical or logical problem and the best means
> > of recovery.
> > Regards,
> > Robert Burns
> >
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
>
>