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In article <4errc6$k58@is05.micron.net>, Kingpin <> wrote:

>Kingpin <> writes:
>> wolfmtn@ix.netcom.com writes:
>> > Matt Majka <mmajka@tinygee.dasd.honeywell.com> wrote:
>> > 
>> > >On 29 Jan 1996, HAL9000 wrote:
>> > 
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>All bow before the mighty king, BILL GATES.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >Just like all the other "sheep"... No brain either...
>> > >> >
>> > 
>> > >{snip}
>> > 
>> > >> 
>> > >> go ahead and mock what you don't understand... I run Windowz 95
and like 
>> > >> it... does that mean I am stupid because I know how to configure a 
>> > >> beast?


>> > >Don't understand?  I doubt that's the case.

>> > >You may not be stupid, but the decision to run a "beast" that you will 
>> > >have to fight with is your decision.  You know how to configure it.  
>> > >Funny, my Mac and SGI know how to configure themselves......what a
concept.

>> > Besides, how do you know so much about win95, if you run a mac?

>> Oh yes one more thing.....BILL GATES IS A GOD!! If ibm would have
listened to microsoft
>> they might not have the shit hole operating system they have today!

>Oh yes and one more thing they made pc's and macs so that the people that
don't seem to 
>grasp the brain power to configure there systems can turn to mac!
>All hail microsoft! he he


What are you, 12?  The intelligence of your above comment suggests so... 
You're even afraid to include a real email address in your header.  What a
big surprise!  Now go play with your white Power Ranger doll or something.

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Oscar Feliciano
mailto: ofelicia@newton.texel.com
http://pobox.com/~ofelicia
IP: 199.224.12.141

the smarter you are the more you realise that you dont wanna
work hard configuring a computer, therefore, you point is well
taken, mac users are smarter.

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In article <4errc6$k58@is05.micron.net>, Kingpin <> wrote:

> Kingpin <> writes:
> > wolfmtn@ix.netcom.com writes:
> > > Matt Majka <mmajka@tinygee.dasd.honeywell.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > >On 29 Jan 1996, HAL9000 wrote:
> > > 
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>All bow before the mighty king, BILL GATES.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >Just like all the other "sheep"... No brain either...
> > > >> >
> > > 
> > > >{snip}
> > > 
> > > >> 
> > > >> go ahead and mock what you don't understand... I run Windowz 95
and like 
> > > >> it... does that mean I am stupid because I know how to configure a 
> > > >> beast?
> > > >> -- 
> > > 
> > > >Don't understand?  I doubt that's the case.
> > > 
> > > >You may not be stupid, but the decision to run a "beast" that you will 
> > > >have to fight with is your decision.  You know how to configure it.  
> > > >Funny, my Mac and SGI know how to configure themselves......what a
concept.
> > > 
> > > >  
> > > I don't fight with win95??? I run over 1 gig of very large
> > > programming, including lotus, wp6.1, and I haven't had any trouble
> > > with win95.
> > > 
> > > Besides, how do you know so much about win95, if you run a mac?
> > > 
> > 
> > It blows me away how people who "apparently" hate windows 95 come to
this news group
> > and bitch -n- moan about how much they hate it? First I would have to
say about 90% of 
> > the people here could care less on how much you hate it! If you don't
like it buy warp
> > and shut the fuck up!
> > Oh yes one more thing.....BILL GATES IS A GOD!! If ibm would have
listened to microsoft
> > they might not have the shit hole operating system they have today!
> 
> Oh yes and one more thing they made pc's and macs so that the people
that don't seem to 
> grasp the brain power to configure there systems can turn to mac!
> All hail microsoft! he he

I dont know about everyone else, but I'm getting sick of wading
through all this Bill Gates shit on the Linux groups when looking
for answers to problems I come across.  Could you guys (and gals)
PLEASE stop posting this tripe to the comp.os.linux.* groups?


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rcb@intsyson.com (Rich Bland) wrote:

>I dont know about everyone else, but I'm getting sick of wading
>through all this Bill Gates shit on the Linux groups when looking
>for answers to problems I come across.  Could you guys (and gals)
>PLEASE stop posting this tripe to the comp.os.linux.* groups?


We keep getting this stuff posted on gaming groups too which has even
less relevance to us than at Linux.At least Linux is an operating
system.People are just not paying attention to where it is being cross
posted to.I've made this mistake in the past so I doubt it is being
done deliberately.The culprit is whoever made the original post.


Sir Jaggernaut (sometimes known as Steve)
Castle Vancouver
Domain Of Canada

fatal exception error occurred at 0137:BFF9A07C

Just another day with Win95

              
                                                        
                                              

EndUser wrote:
> 
> the smarter you are the more you realise that you dont wanna
> work hard configuring a computer, therefore, you point is well
> taken, mac users are smarter.
> 
> --
> 
> In article <4errc6$k58@is05.micron.net>, Kingpin <> wrote:
> 
> > Kingpin <> writes:
> > > wolfmtn@ix.netcom.com writes:
> > > > Matt Majka <mmajka@tinygee.dasd.honeywell.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >On 29 Jan 1996, HAL9000 wrote:

Seems like the average IQ on this thread is <= shoe size.  Could we
either (a) close this out or (b) trim the newsgroups to advocacy?
(or /dev/null 8^)        )
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rcb@intsyson.com (Rich Bland) wrote:

>I dont know about everyone else, but I'm getting sick of wading
>through all this Bill Gates shit on the Linux groups when looking
>for answers to problems I come across.  Could you guys (and gals)
>PLEASE stop posting this tripe to the comp.os.linux.* groups?


>-- 
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I agree...and I also wish the person that always labels his messages
with aaarrrrrrgggghhhhhhh!, followed by some whinning ass complaint
 would give it up!....geeez!

Y'know, I had this thread in my kill file for months and I just deleted it
from my global group filter since I thought it must be dead by now...

          It's still here!  AAGGHHHH

So I'll add my 2 cents:
My parents are PC oriented. They neded a new computer and I convinced them
to get a Mac with a DOS card. They haven't touched the PC side!

My mom keeps saying things like, "Is that all?", "Really?", "You can do
that?". "Oh my...Oh...Oh..." (On hearing text-to-speech for the first
time), "Let me write this down...no, I don't have to"

-Michael

mhmyers@netaxs.com 
http://www.netaxs.com/~mhmyers/

In article <4fg9nt$i15@hp5.online.apple.com>, that nutty pbguru@eworld.com (PBGuru) wrote:
>
>Configuring a Macintosh game is easy, you double-click install.  No
>screwing around with funky CD drivers, or reconfiguring video, or
>anything.
>

Configuring a Windows 95 native game is easy, you insert the CD. No 
double-clicking. Just insert the CD and it auto installs.

>Not only that, but I own a Power Macintosh 8100.  There are over 1000
>native applications for Power Macintosh.  There are less than 100
>applications that run native under Win95. Tell me again who's smarter??
>

Fine. We'll revisit this meaningless number in a year.

>Also, I can run a number of WinDOS games using Insignia's SoftWindows on
>my Macintosh.   I've heard that Space Hulk doesn't run under Windows95, it
>works great on my Macintosh.  ;)
>

Oh, playing Windows/DOS games on a Mac? Why is that? Hmm.

>The only reason I'm even reading this board (the pc.games.strategic) is
>that I heard XCOM was coming for Macintosh, didn't know what it was about,
>and found a DOS friend that had it.  I borrowed it, and yes, it too runs
>fine on my Macintosh.   I've been playing it a lot, and so I come back
>here occasionally to read any posts about XCOM.
>

Hmm. So you play a lot of DOS games on your Mac?

>So, I'm not telling you that you're dreaming when you say Win95 is the
>greatest.  Look past the hype, and see what you really have there for
>yourself...
>

And I'd advise you to do the same, when you spend a significant percentage of 
your time playing DOS games on your Mac. You still have to configure 
DOS/Windows and deal with it, whether it's on a Mac or on a PC-- it's 
identical. So your claim that "you spend less time configuring your Mac" is a 
bit strange.

Smoke Crack and Worship Satan (me@aplace.com) wrote:

: Configuring a Windows 95 native game is easy, you insert the CD. No 
: double-clicking. Just insert the CD and it auto installs.

   Yes, what thumb-up-his....ah..nostril jackass do we have to thank for 
that?  Programs that launch when you put in the CD?  *cringe* Yet, I 
suppose it's invaluable for the numerous Wintel users that can't figure 
out how to double-click an icon.
   Imagine if you will, a cat that alwas jumps in your lap when you sit 
down.  The first couple times it may be cute or 'cool' (in the 
brain-damaged Gatesian fashion), but it's not long before it's annoying 
as hell.

> >Configuring a Macintosh game is easy, you double-click install.  No
> >screwing around with funky CD drivers, or reconfiguring video, or
> >anything.

> Configuring a Windows 95 native game is easy, you insert the CD. No 
> double-clicking. Just insert the CD and it auto installs.

YES! FOR THAT 1% OF THE GAMES OUT THERE, ITS EASY!!!!
big deal.

> >Not only that, but I own a Power Macintosh 8100.  There are over 1000
> >native applications for Power Macintosh.  There are less than 100
> >applications that run native under Win95. Tell me again who's smarter??

> Fine. We'll revisit this meaningless number in a year.

Truth is so meaningless.

> >Also, I can run a number of WinDOS games using Insignia's SoftWindows on
> >my Macintosh.   I've heard that Space Hulk doesn't run under Windows95, it
> >works great on my Macintosh.  ;)

> Oh, playing Windows/DOS games on a Mac? Why is that? Hmm.

Why not?  WE, get the speed, useability, crash-resitance, and plug-n-play
of the Mac market, and the software base of the PC market. :-)

I'm happy.

ALE

PBGuru wrote:
> 
> I normally ignore such crap, but I thought I would add my 2 cents.
> 
> I have supported both WinDOS computers and Macintosh, but my computer of
> choice is a Macintosh.  I do support all day, when I'm at home, I don't
> want to waste time playing around with setup, I want to compute!
> 
> Configuring a Macintosh game is easy, you double-click install.  No
> screwing around with funky CD drivers, or reconfiguring video, or
> anything.

Configuring Windows and DOS games is easy, too.  Of course, you have to understand 
memory management and hardware configuration.  Granted, this is out of many 
people's realm, but it's hardly rocket science.  Maybe a little voodoo, but not 
rocket science.  Are you saying that you have never come across a Mac App that 
didn't come optimally configured?  I only deal with Macs about 10% of my time, but 
I find myself having to tweak apps and control panels somewhat regularly.  Word, 
Excel, and Netscape are three apps that come to mind that have needed some memory 
tweaking.  If you've never had to tweak an app, you've been very lucky.
> 
> Not only that, but I own a Power Macintosh 8100.  There are over 1000
> native applications for Power Macintosh.  There are less than 100
> applications that run native under Win95. Tell me again who's smarter??

Who does your counting for you?  Perhaps there aren't yet "over 1000" native Win95 
apps, but it's certainly greater than 100.  How many "designed for System 7.5" apps 
are there?  Most PPC apps are mere recompiles of their 68k bretren.  Also, what's 
been around longer?  Where's the new OS that's supposed to take advantage of that 
PowerPC?

Sure, Win95 isn't perfect.  Perhaps it really isn't all that good.  Definitely, it 
was greatly over-hyped.  But, there is no way you can tell me that the Mac is 
perfect.  If you'd like, I can go one-for-one with you all day and night of the 
flaws in each operating system.  But what would it prove?  That we can waste the 
bandwidth of many newsgroups without proving anything more than how imbecilic we 
can act?  Praise your favorite OS.  Enjoy it.  At the end of the day, if our jobs 
are done and we've had some fun to-boot, then we've made wise choices of OS and 
applications.
> 
> Also, I can run a number of WinDOS games using Insignia's SoftWindows on
> my Macintosh.   I've heard that Space Hulk doesn't run under Windows95, it
> works great on my Macintosh.  ;)
> 
> The only reason I'm even reading this board (the pc.games.strategic) is
> that I heard XCOM was coming for Macintosh, didn't know what it was about,
> and found a DOS friend that had it.  I borrowed it, and yes, it too runs
> fine on my Macintosh.   I've been playing it a lot, and so I come back
> here occasionally to read any posts about XCOM.
> 
> So, I'm not telling you that you're dreaming when you say Win95 is the
> greatest.  Look past the hype, and see what you really have there for
> yourself...

Ditto.  Vice Versa.  Same to you.

             Kevin
> 
> John
> *** John Phelps  *** OIC Gundi's Gang *** My comments are my own ***
> email: jphelps@spock.austin.apple.com or fenris@eworld.com
> Remember these: Your equipment was made by the lowest bidder, napalm is an
> area support weapon, and when in doubt, empty your magazine - then run.

> I find myself having to tweak apps and control panels somewhat
regularly.  Word, 
> Excel, and Netscape are three apps that come to mind that have needed
some memory 
> tweaking.  If you've never had to tweak an app, you've been very lucky.

Then I'm one of the lucky ones.  Had this Quadra 610 since the time it
came out about what, 1.5 years?  Have upgraded it several times.  Have had
all three of thee apps your talking about.  Never had to tweak anything.

ALE

Smoke Crack and Worship Satan wrote:
> 
> In article <4fm7q4$g1b@daily-planet.nodak.edu>, that nutty nahender@prairie.NoDa
> k.edu (Nathanael J Henderson) wrote:
> >
> > Smoke Crack and Worship Satan (me@aplace.com) wrote:
> >
> > : Configuring a Windows 95 native game is easy, you insert the CD. No
> > : double-clicking. Just insert the CD and it auto installs.
> >
> >    Yes, what thumb-up-his....ah..nostril jackass do we have to thank for
> > that?  Programs that launch when you put in the CD?  *cringe* Yet, I
> > suppose it's invaluable for the numerous Wintel users that can't figure
> > out how to double-click an icon.
> >    Imagine if you will, a cat that alwas jumps in your lap when you sit
> > down.  The first couple times it may be cute or 'cool' (in the
> > brain-damaged Gatesian fashion), but it's not long before it's annoying
> > as hell.
> 
> Yeah, and explain to your four year old child how she needs to open the CD-ROM folder, and
> find the right icon to use to start the Lion King activity pack. Or she could just shove it
> in the CD-ROM drive and start playing. Why would you insert your Myst other than to play
> Myst? Yours is a ridiculous assertion.

Besides, you can always disable Autoplay....

	NOTE!!! The followups have been trimmed to *much* more relevant 
newsgroups than some on the original list.

In article <311FBF04.7A03@bbs.hal-pc.org>,
Kevin Lang  <kevin.lang@bbs.hal-pc.org> wrote:
>Smoke Crack and Worship Satan wrote:
>> In article <4fm7q4$g1b@daily-planet.nodak.edu>, that nutty nahender@prairie.NoDa
>> k.edu (Nathanael J Henderson) wrote:
>> > Smoke Crack and Worship Satan (me@aplace.com) wrote:

>> > : Configuring a Windows 95 native game is easy, you insert the CD. No
>> > : double-clicking. Just insert the CD and it auto installs.

>> >    Yes, what thumb-up-his....ah..nostril jackass do we have to thank for
>> > that?  Programs that launch when you put in the CD?  *cringe* Yet, I
>> > suppose it's invaluable for the numerous Wintel users that can't figure
>> > out how to double-click an icon.

	I personally consider it a rather dangerous feature; I'm happy to 
say that the MacOS has no such feature (and I'm sure that neither OS/2 or 
the AmigaOS do); I'd like to see what's on a CD-ROM *before* I run 
anything.

	Much nicer, however, is that one does not need do do *any* 
installation to run a lot of MacOS software; I can run a lot of programs 
on CD-ROM's right off of the CD-ROM. 

>> Yeah, and explain to your four year old child how she needs to open 
the CD-ROM folder, and 
>> find the right icon to use to start the Lion King activity pack. Or 
she could just shove it 
>> in the CD-ROM drive and start playing. Why would you insert your Myst 
other than to play 
>> Myst? Yours is a ridiculous assertion.

	On my Macintosh, I can simply make an alias of the "Lion King" 
application, and if it is double-clicked without the "Lion King" CD-ROM 
in the drive, it will give a nasty message to that effect. Or if you want 
to provide more informative error messages, write an AppleScript that 
checks if the "Lion King" CD-ROM is present in the drive, and if so, to 
run the program. Here it is:

repeat
	-- Is the CD-ROM in the drive?
	set diskList to list disks
	if diskList contains "Lion King" then
		-- Yes, it is
		exit repeat
	else
		-- No, it isn't
		display dialog
			"The \"Lion King \" CD-ROM is not in the drive.
			To run it, please put it in the drive.
			Press \"OK\" when you have done so;
			\"Cancel\" if you don't want to run it now."
		-- Fall-through continue if "OK"; "Cancel" quite
	end if
end repeat
try
	-- Here's my favorite file-management utility for PeeCee disks:
	tell application "Finder"
		select file "Lion King:Lion King" -- whatever it's called
		open selection -- run it
	end tell
on error
	display dialog "Could not start up the \"Lion King\" CD-ROM.
		Please tell Mommy and Daddy about this great calamity.
		Press either button to continue"
	-- don't care which button got pressed
end try

	I know that one can write a comparable script with OS/2 Rexx and
Amiga ARexx, but does Windoze have anything like it? If not, then Chairman
Bill has lost one in the Great Feature War. 

>Besides, you can always disable Autoplay....

	Sure. How does one find out about *that*? Is the online 
documentation clear enough so that one can do so?
-- 
Loren Petrich				Happiness is a fast Macintosh
petrich@netcom.com			And a fast train
My home page: ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/pe/petrich/home.html
Or ftp to ftp.netcom.com and go to /pub/pe/petrich

ekleberr@infinet.com (ALE) wrote:

...snip
>> 
>> there are way more than a hunder, there were at least 50 before it was
>> released. your not smarter!! duh??

>Really?  More than a hunder?  I can't beleave it!  More than hunder!  HEY
>EVERYBODY!! THERES MORE THAN A HUNDER!!!  What was that about being
>smarter?

>> did you know mac's are now using the PCI slot???? do you know where
>> this slot originated??? IBM PC'S!!! wow!!

>Was this supposed to be news or something? There is a diffrence, when you
>plug in a card, depending on what it is, it may not be plug & play.  When
>we plug in a card, its always plug and play.

>> Bundy, Al

>Go back to peg.

>ALE

More proof the public school system is failing us.

ekleberr@infinet.com (ALE) wrote:


>> >Configuring a Macintosh game is easy, you double-click install.  No
>> >screwing around with funky CD drivers, or reconfiguring video, or
>> >anything.
>> 
>> ahhh the mac could only dream of having so many add on cards, cd roms,
>> tv cards, different sound cards, speaker setups, interfaces, large
>> selection of printer, etc... but they are limited.

>Hi, Bundy.  Ahhh... I can just laugh at all the funnie things you said. 
>How many Mac users out there just sit around all day long think "I with I
>had all those card I don't need".  If I wanted to, I could get all the
>things you mentioned, but the Interface, which I don't need.


with???? withing for all those cards?? or wishing for the cards. No we
have the same argument at work and you have no ammo. Have fun finding
these cards, your restricted to "apple" cards... how come you can't
buy a awe32 for the mac... at least they made a sound blaster for
MicroChannel. ohh the mac sound is much better than ibm/pc sure it is
and keep thinking that, your the last helpless person we want on a
mac. 

>> you gotta open your
>> mouth and same something stupid... you lose somthing with easiness.
>> like depth, quailty, and quantity. 5 games that suck but are easy to
>> install doesn't come close to infinity ibm games that may require you
>> to learn someing..



>My freind bought WL2. It ate 3.5 hours to get it to run, and he had to
>make a DOS startup disk.  When I bought the same game, clicked install,
>clicked on the program, I was playing.  How did mine "suck" worse than
>his?  COME ON, TELL ME. HUM? "Your sucked just because it was a Mac.
>hehehe..."  YEAH RIGHT!  TELL MY FREIND HE WAS LEARNING!!
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!  Your only argument here is "Mac sucks because they
>don't waste enough of your time". 

gesshh another old game/ stupid pc user. some games are difficult,
some are real easy to install. it sucked worse than his because by the
time mac releases a game, the ibm'ers already figured it out
installing it and finished it.

ohh please i've heard a million times the few games apple has are
great. Mac gets the games after ibm has had them for months, they
choose the hottest sellers. it doesn't take a genius/mac user to
figure that out. hummm doom was a big hit, lets put doom on a mac...
think it will sell?? I think stupidity comes in the mac box..



>> >Not only that, but I own a Power Macintosh 8100.  There are over 1000
>> >native applications for Power Macintosh.  There are less than 100
>> >applications that run native under Win95. Tell me again who's smarter??
>> 
>> there are way more than a hunder, there were at least 50 before it was
>> released. your not smarter!! duh??

>Really?  More than a hunder?  I can't beleave it!  More than hunder!  HEY
>EVERYBODY!! THERES MORE THAN A HUNDER!!!  What was that about being
>smarter?

hummm your comment back fired you revealed you own age.

>> did you know mac's are now using the PCI slot???? do you know where
>> this slot originated??? IBM PC'S!!! wow!!

>Was this supposed to be news or something? There is a diffrence, when you
>plug in a card, depending on what it is, it may not be plug & play.  When
>we plug in a card, its always plug and play.

I figured you were slow and by your comment above proves that! I HATE
plug and play. I fix both machines... not on the side, autherized...
why is it when a apple laser fails and a hp II fails the SAME part
cost at least 50-100$ more, when i could use the ibm version
cheaper... another apple rip off...  OR because i can only get parts
from apple!??! Why is it sony makes most/all monitors for mac, and
most have a line accross them in the middle like a dual scan notebook.
sony makes the trinitron tube, its great, but on the mac it sucks!!!!
looks like you need a NEC XE17/21

>> Bundy, Al

>Go back to peg.

>ALE

Have another drink...

if your gonna bother to reply put some fact in not just IBM's waste
time with useless cards... my game installs so easy a moron could do
it. computer is a hobby not a business. you want it for a business you
have someone setup the network... or a small business just buy one
computer... 

In article <petrichDn2LI4.B76@netcom.com>, petrich@netcom.com (Loren
Petrich) wrote:

<snip>
>
>        I personally consider it a rather dangerous feature; I'm happy to 
>say that the MacOS has no such feature (and I'm sure that neither OS/2 or 
>the AmigaOS do); I'd like to see what's on a CD-ROM *before* I run 
>anything.
>
I too would rather a CD-ROM to *not* run/install when you stick it in the
drive.   Sometimes I just want to have it in the drive to use later or
maybe just to check it out.  Just imagine how much unwanted software would
be on your machine if each different CD-ROM title automatically installed
software when inserted?  I'm sure glad the Mac lets you decide if you want
to install the CD-ROM (and I hope this does not change).
-- 
Haldane S. Henry 
hshenry@vais.net 

hshenry@vais.net (Haldane S. Henry) wrote:
>In article <petrichDn2LI4.B76@netcom.com>, petrich@netcom.com (Loren
>Petrich) wrote:
>
><snip>
>>
>>        I personally consider it a rather dangerous feature; I'm happy to 
>>say that the MacOS has no such feature (and I'm sure that neither OS/2 or 
>>the AmigaOS do); I'd like to see what's on a CD-ROM *before* I run 
>>anything.
>>
>I too would rather a CD-ROM to *not* run/install when you stick it in the
>drive.   Sometimes I just want to have it in the drive to use later or
>maybe just to check it out.  Just imagine how much unwanted software would
>be on your machine if each different CD-ROM title automatically installed
>software when inserted?  I'm sure glad the Mac lets you decide if you want
>to install the CD-ROM (and I hope this does not change).

The only autoplay CDs I've seen (admittedly very few) simply bring up a window
asking whether you want to install or not. Obviously you can choose not to.
If there are others out there that do just automatically install I'd consider
that the stupidest feature ever conceived.

Does anyone have concrete examples here?

-- Rich

On 21 Feb 1996 15:14:18 GMT, hshenry@vais.net (Haldane S. Henry)
wrote:

>In article <petrichDn2LI4.B76@netcom.com>, petrich@netcom.com (Loren
>Petrich) wrote:
>
><snip>
>>
>>        I personally consider it a rather dangerous feature; I'm happy to 
>>say that the MacOS has no such feature (and I'm sure that neither OS/2 or 
>>the AmigaOS do); I'd like to see what's on a CD-ROM *before* I run 
>>anything.
>>
>I too would rather a CD-ROM to *not* run/install when you stick it in the
>drive.   Sometimes I just want to have it in the drive to use later or
>maybe just to check it out.  Just imagine how much unwanted software would
>be on your machine if each different CD-ROM title automatically installed
>software when inserted?  I'm sure glad the Mac lets you decide if you want
>to install the CD-ROM (and I hope this does not change).
>-- 
>Haldane S. Henry 
>hshenry@vais.net 

	First of all not all CDs start automatically when you insert
them. Second you can turn off the autostart feature. Third all you
have to do is hold down the "shift" key when insterting the CD Rom and
it won't auto start.  Last but not least; if the only reason you
bought a Mac is because it doesn't auto start CDs you may want to
rethink your decision.


				vincentf@gate.net

Haldane S. Henry wrote:
> 
> In article <petrichDn2LI4.B76@netcom.com>, petrich@netcom.com (Loren
> Petrich) wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> >
> >        I personally consider it a rather dangerous feature; I'm happy to
> >say that the MacOS has no such feature (and I'm sure that neither OS/2 or
> >the AmigaOS do); I'd like to see what's on a CD-ROM *before* I run
> >anything.
> >
> I too would rather a CD-ROM to *not* run/install when you stick it in the
> drive.   Sometimes I just want to have it in the drive to use later or
> maybe just to check it out.  Just imagine how much unwanted software would
> be on your machine if each different CD-ROM title automatically installed
> software when inserted?  I'm sure glad the Mac lets you decide if you want
> to install the CD-ROM (and I hope this does not change).
> --
> Haldane S. Henry
> hshenry@vais.netWell..Cds dont excatly install themself. They do start a small program from which you
then can decide if you wish to install a game..or if allready installed..if you like
to play it..and if ya dont...you just close the little pop up..no harm done...What i 
like is that when i pop a Sound Cd in it...bang...no need for me to find the right program
the cd just starts playing....(and i have been told there is an undocomendet feature in windows 
that allows you to skip over the auto start on your cd rom  am not shure how tho)

Andreas

Richard Wang (wang@xserver.sjc.ox.ac.uk) wrote:
:
: The only autoplay CDs I've seen (admittedly very few) simply bring up a window
: asking whether you want to install or not. Obviously you can choose not to.
: If there are others out there that do just automatically install I'd consider
: that the stupidest feature ever conceived.
:
: Does anyone have concrete examples here?
:

I've dealt with a good number of AutoPlay CD-ROMs.  None of them automatically
install anything.  Some, like the original Win95 Upgrade CD-ROM, always bring
up a window giving you installation options and the like.  Others, like Visual
C++ 4.0, are a bit smarter and don't bother you at all if they find that
the software in question has already been installed.

: -- Rich
--
Jerry J. Shekhel
jerry@cybercom.net
                ,    ,                         ,
"Is maith liom Mi Mheain an tSamhraidh." - M. Ni Chobhthaigh

Andreas Hauschild <andreas@access.net> wrote:

>the cd just starts playing....(and i have been told there is an undocomendet feature in windows 
>that allows you to skip over the auto start on your cd rom  am not shure how tho)

Just hold down the SHIFT key when inserting a CD...simple!

-- 
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
ddave@cyberus.ca              Recent Statistics show that
David Stimson                 3 out of 4 people make up
                              75% of the population

In article <1tQLxYWCll5R089yn@ibm.net>,
Steve Withers <steve.withers@ibm.net> wrote:
>Now......those virus-infested CDs are only days away from completion.
>
>You just pop one in, and within 30 seconds, you have loaded at least
>50 popular virii!
>
>We'll call it "Adults '95 Only" and sell it through magazines.... :-)
>
>Recovering costs and demonstrating technology....though VFAT users
>may not know the difference for a day or two.
>

In WIN 95:

Right-click "My Computer", select Properties.
Select the DEVICE MANAGER and select the CDROM drive.
Click PROPERTIES, and select SETTINGS.

If you make sure that "AUTO-INSERT NOTOFICATION" is not selected, then
autoplay is disabled in Win 95.

Thus when you insert a CD you can look at it to see what's on it. If you want
to run whatever "AUTOPLAY" would have run, double-click "My Computer",
right-click the CDROM drive, and select "AUTOPLAY". This menu entry will only
appear if the CD has autoplay.
-- 
Steven Den Beste        "The only difference between men and boys is
denbeste@world.std.com   the size of their lies and the price of their toys."

"Jeff \"Clef\" Butts" <clef@austin.ibm.com> wrote:

>Bundy, AL wrote:
>[Much useless jibbering snipped out]
>> if your gonna bother to reply put some fact in not just IBM's waste
>> time with useless cards... my game installs so easy a moron could do
>> it. computer is a hobby not a business. you want it for a business you
>> have someone setup the network... or a small business just buy one
>> computer...

>Why don't you do us all a favor, and quit spamming every newsgroup on
>the comp.os heirarchy with this bantering.  You happened to post this
>into comp.os.linux.misc, comp.os.linux.networking, comp.os.os2.advocacy, 
>comp.security.misc, comp.security.unix, comp.sys.amiga.advocacy, and
>comp.sys.hp.hpux.  Now, explain to me why people running OS/2, Linux,
>Berkely UNIX, Amigas, or HP's UNIX would care about your little
>argument, "Which is better, Win95 or Mac?"  I don't care to read it...I
>don't subscribe to any of the microsoft or mac newsgroups, and don't
>like seeing flame wars between Microsoft and Mac users when I'm trying
>to read about Linux.

>-- 
>   _    Jeff "Clef" Butts                    Site Help Desk
> _| ~-. clef@helpdesk.austin.ibm.com       | IBM Austin
> \, *_} Internet: clef@austin.ibm.com      | 512-838-1600 (678)t/l
>   \(                                      |

That may be another bundy, i'm not even subscribed to those groups!!!
so before you tell someone off make sure you've got the right one!!
This is the only group i've been posting on.. maybe this original
thread was posted to all the other groups... is it my fault the
original poster was a moron???

Nuff said...

Bundy, AL@Site.helpless.Desk.

steve.withers@ibm.net (Steve Withers) wrote:

>In article <hshenry-2102961015180001@pm01-s19.vais.net>,
>hshenry@vais.net (Haldane S. Henry) wrote:
>>In article <petrichDn2LI4.B76@netcom.com>, petrich@netcom.com (Loren
>>Petrich) wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>>
>>>        I personally consider it a rather dangerous feature; I'm happy to
>>>say that the MacOS has no such feature (and I'm sure that neither OS/2 or
>>>the AmigaOS do); I'd like to see what's on a CD-ROM *before* I run
>>>anything.
>>>
>>I too would rather a CD-ROM to *not* run/install when you stick it in the
>>drive.   Sometimes I just want to have it in the drive to use later or
>>maybe just to check it out.  Just imagine how much unwanted software would
>>be on your machine if each different CD-ROM title automatically installed
>>software when inserted?  I'm sure glad the Mac lets you decide if you want
>>to install the CD-ROM (and I hope this does not change).
>>--
>>Haldane S. Henry
>>hshenry@vais.net

>Now......those virus-infested CDs are only days away from completion.

>You just pop one in, and within 30 seconds, you have loaded at least
>50 popular virii!

>We'll call it "Adults '95 Only" and sell it through magazines.... :-)

>Recovering costs and demonstrating technology....though VFAT users
>may not know the difference for a day or two.

>--
>********************************************************
>Steve Withers - Wellington, New Zealand
>steve.withers@ibm.net / swithers@vnet.ibm.com
>Canadian since '58 / Kiwi since '87 / OS2 since '92
>Life just keeps getting better!
>********************************************************
The only thing I can't see here is why you people are bitching about
the CD autorun.  Turn the damn thing off, and then you'll be OK.  It's
not that hard.

Bundy, AL wrote:
[Much useless jibbering snipped out]
> if your gonna bother to reply put some fact in not just IBM's waste
> time with useless cards... my game installs so easy a moron could do
> it. computer is a hobby not a business. you want it for a business you
> have someone setup the network... or a small business just buy one
> computer...

Why don't you do us all a favor, and quit spamming every newsgroup on
the comp.os heirarchy with this bantering.  You happened to post this
into comp.os.linux.misc, comp.os.linux.networking, comp.os.os2.advocacy, 
comp.security.misc, comp.security.unix, comp.sys.amiga.advocacy, and
comp.sys.hp.hpux.  Now, explain to me why people running OS/2, Linux,
Berkely UNIX, Amigas, or HP's UNIX would care about your little
argument, "Which is better, Win95 or Mac?"  I don't care to read it...I
don't subscribe to any of the microsoft or mac newsgroups, and don't
like seeing flame wars between Microsoft and Mac users when I'm trying
to read about Linux.

-- 
   _    Jeff "Clef" Butts                    Site Help Desk
 _| ~-. clef@helpdesk.austin.ibm.com       | IBM Austin
 \, *_} Internet: clef@austin.ibm.com      | 512-838-1600 (678)t/l
   \(                                      |

In article <hshenry-2102961015180001@pm01-s19.vais.net>,
hshenry@vais.net (Haldane S. Henry) wrote:
>In article <petrichDn2LI4.B76@netcom.com>, petrich@netcom.com (Loren
>Petrich) wrote:
>
><snip>
>>
>>        I personally consider it a rather dangerous feature; I'm happy to
>>say that the MacOS has no such feature (and I'm sure that neither OS/2 or
>>the AmigaOS do); I'd like to see what's on a CD-ROM *before* I run
>>anything.
>>
>I too would rather a CD-ROM to *not* run/install when you stick it in the
>drive.   Sometimes I just want to have it in the drive to use later or
>maybe just to check it out.  Just imagine how much unwanted software would
>be on your machine if each different CD-ROM title automatically installed
>software when inserted?  I'm sure glad the Mac lets you decide if you want
>to install the CD-ROM (and I hope this does not change).
>--
>Haldane S. Henry
>hshenry@vais.net

Now......those virus-infested CDs are only days away from completion.

You just pop one in, and within 30 seconds, you have loaded at least
50 popular virii!

We'll call it "Adults '95 Only" and sell it through magazines.... :-)

Recovering costs and demonstrating technology....though VFAT users
may not know the difference for a day or two.

--
********************************************************
Steve Withers - Wellington, New Zealand
steve.withers@ibm.net / swithers@vnet.ibm.com
Canadian since '58 / Kiwi since '87 / OS2 since '92
Life just keeps getting better!
********************************************************

In article <1tQLxYWCll5R089yn@ibm.net>, steve.withers@ibm.net says...

>Now......those virus-infested CDs are only days away from completion.
>
>You just pop one in, and within 30 seconds, you have loaded at least
>50 popular virii!


However, PROPER Windows 95 users know that AutoRun (and AutoPlay) are 
defeatable, both on a temporary and permanent basis.  That plan won't work!
Besides, are you Warped users that fearful of Windows 95's success that you 
have to resort to such nastiness?

Windows 95.  It's here, and it's successful.  Get used to it.

Christopher L. Estep
Member ClubWin, Nation's Capitol Chapter
Member, NT ASUG
Powered EXCLUSIVELY by Windows 95 since November 1994.

In article <4ggvta$c3o@orion.cybercom.net>,
Jerry Shekhel <jerry@cybercom.net> wrote:
>I've dealt with a good number of AutoPlay CD-ROMs.  None of them automatically
>install anything.

How do you *know* they don't?  Just because they ask you whether they
should install the software, how do you know they're not doing other things
without telling you?
-- 
Barry Margolin
BBN PlaNET Corporation, Cambridge, MA
barmar@bbnplanet.com
Phone (617) 873-3126 - Fax (617) 873-6351

In <Dn72C2.74B@world.std.com>, denbeste@world.std.com (Steven Den Beste) writes:
>In article <1tQLxYWCll5R089yn@ibm.net>,
>Steve Withers <steve.withers@ibm.net> wrote:
>>Now......those virus-infested CDs are only days away from completion.
>>
>>You just pop one in, and within 30 seconds, you have loaded at least
>>50 popular virii!
>>
>>We'll call it "Adults '95 Only" and sell it through magazines.... :-)
>>
>>Recovering costs and demonstrating technology....though VFAT users
>>may not know the difference for a day or two.
>>
>
>In WIN 95:
>
>Right-click "My Computer", select Properties.
>Select the DEVICE MANAGER and select the CDROM drive.
>Click PROPERTIES, and select SETTINGS.
>
>If you make sure that "AUTO-INSERT NOTOFICATION" is not selected, then
>autoplay is disabled in Win 95.
>
>Thus when you insert a CD you can look at it to see what's on it. If you want
>to run whatever "AUTOPLAY" would have run, double-click "My Computer",
>right-click the CDROM drive, and select "AUTOPLAY". This menu entry will only
>appear if the CD has autoplay.
>-- 
>Steven Den Beste        "The only difference between men and boys is
>denbeste@world.std.com   the size of their lies and the price of their toys."


Obviously, few people will know how to do this, let alone know that it can be done.

I thought this was a bad idea when I first heard of it. I still do.

-----------------------------------------
Jerry L. Rowe
JLRowe@holli.com -- www.holli.com/~jlrowe
Team OS/2 - IBM BESTeam
-----------------------------------------
        ---***  NOTE: Win95 Fixpack now available!  ***---
  See http://www.austin.ibm.com/pspinfo/drk95.html for more info!

In article <4gm84u$p7o@news.gate.net>,  <Bundy, AL> wrote:
>"Jeff \"Clef\" Butts" <clef@austin.ibm.com> wrote:
>
>>Bundy, AL wrote:
>>[Much useless jibbering snipped out]
Now, explain to me why people running OS/2, Linux,
>>Berkely UNIX, Amigas, or HP's UNIX would care about your little
>>argument, "Which is better, Win95 or Mac?"  I don't care to read it...I
>>don't subscribe to any of the microsoft or mac newsgroups, and don't
>>like seeing flame wars between Microsoft and Mac users when I'm trying
>>to read about Linux.
>
>
>That may be another bundy, i'm not even subscribed to those groups!!!
>so before you tell someone off make sure you've got the right one!!
>This is the only group i've been posting on.. maybe this original
>thread was posted to all the other groups... is it my fault the
>original poster was a moron???
>
>Nuff said...
>
>Bundy, AL@Site.helpless.Desk.
>
>

Let me see if I got this straight. The original poster is a
moron and you're using the alias Al Bundy.

christopher.estep@idsonline.com (Christopher L. Estep) wrote:

>In article <1tQLxYWCll5R089yn@ibm.net>, steve.withers@ibm.net says...
>
>>Now......those virus-infested CDs are only days away from completion.
>>
>>You just pop one in, and within 30 seconds, you have loaded at least
>>50 popular virii!
>
>
>However, PROPER Windows 95 users know that AutoRun (and AutoPlay) are 

I don't know about that. It took me lot of delving around in the
resource kit to find out how to disable autoload - Win95 seems to go
out of its way to stop you finding out this kind of thing. And it *is*
dangerous to have the default as it is. How many users do you think
there are out there who don't even realise there might be a problem?

>defeatable, both on a temporary and permanent basis.  That plan won't work!
I wouldn't be surprised to read about something similar in the
computer press.


>Besides, are you Warped users that fearful of Windows 95's success that you 
>have to resort to such nastiness?
>
>Windows 95.  It's here, and it's successful.  Get used to it.
>
>Christopher L. Estep
>Member ClubWin, Nation's Capitol Chapter
>Member, NT ASUG
>Powered EXCLUSIVELY by Windows 95 since November 1994.
>

---------------------------------------
Colin Mahoney ( cmahoney@readysoft.es )
Sabadell, Spain
---------------------------------------

If you don't like autoplay, just turn it off on the system properties.
Or hold down the shift key when inserting the CD.
I like autoplay, especially for games, and especially for the munchkins 
that live here.

    I'really dont' see what the matter is.  Windows 95 lets you toggle
this feature on or off.  I find it handy in some situations, like when
I'm playing a music CD and don't want to go through the trouble of loading
the CD-player.

Regards,

Chris Hong

Bundy, AL wrote:
> 
> pbguru@eworld.com (PBGuru) wrote:
> 
> >I normally ignore such crap, but I thought I would add my 2 cents.
> 
> >I have supported both WinDOS computers and Macintosh, but my computer of
> >choice is a Macintosh.  I do support all day, when I'm at home, I don't
> >want to waste time playing around with setup, I want to compute!
> 
> once the pc is setup you don't mess with drivers... humm you have
> supported WinDos?? thats cute.. doesn't sound like you support it very
> well if you don't know anything about it. You like the mac fine none
> has a problem with that right?? so compute!

IRQ, DMA. Do I need to say more?
 
> >Configuring a Macintosh game is easy, you double-click install.  No
> >screwing around with funky CD drivers, or reconfiguring video, or
> >anything.
> 
> ahhh the mac could only dream of having so many add on cards, cd roms,
> tv cards, different sound cards, speaker setups, interfaces, large
> selection of printer, etc... but they are limited. you gotta open your
> mouth and same something stupid... you lose somthing with easiness.
> like depth, quailty, and quantity. 5 games that suck but are easy to
> install doesn't come close to infinity ibm games that may require you
> to learn someing..

Most of it will fit on Macs too.

> >Not only that, but I own a Power Macintosh 8100.  There are over 1000
> >native applications for Power Macintosh.  There are less than 100
> >applications that run native under Win95. Tell me again who's smarter??
> 
> there are way more than a hunder, there were at least 50 before it was
> released. your not smarter!! duh??

I have a Mac - but it's running on my Amiga...

> >Also, I can run a number of WinDOS games using Insignia's SoftWindows on
> >my Macintosh.   I've heard that Space Hulk doesn't run under Windows95, it
> >works great on my Macintosh.  ;)
> 
> humm trying to be like a WinDOS machine???

A Mac's obviously a superset of a Windows95 box. Other way round it would give
too many problems to realize, me thinx.

> >The only reason I'm even reading this board (the pc.games.strategic) is
> >that I heard XCOM was coming for Macintosh, didn't know what it was about,
> >and found a DOS friend that had it.  I borrowed it, and yes, it too runs
> >fine on my Macintosh.   I've been playing it a lot, and so I come back
> >here occasionally to read any posts about XCOM.
> 
> XCom came out so long ago... that game is soooo out dated!! the mac
> just now may be getting it??? weak!! DOS friend.. ahh you pick your
> friend and classify them by operating system??? nice!!

*grin*

> >So, I'm not telling you that you're dreaming when you say Win95 is the
> >greatest.  Look past the hype, and see what you really have there for
> >yourself...
> 
> no dos 6.22 rules on the ibm machines.. win 95 sucks but crushes
> windows 3.x which really sucked...

Yup. Under DOS, every program has to create it's own interface itself,
thusly wasting megs and megs of HDD space. All hail Bill Gates.

> >John
> >*** John Phelps  *** OIC Gundi's Gang *** My comments are my own ***
> >email: jphelps@spock.austin.apple.com or fenris@eworld.com
> >Remember these: Your equipment was made by the lowest bidder, napalm is an
> >area support weapon, and when in doubt, empty your magazine - then run.
> 
> did you know mac's are now using the PCI slot???? do you know where
> this slot originated??? IBM PC'S!!! wow!!

Errmm.. Amiga's have a bus that's so fast that I plugged in another processor
and some extra memory in my BUS.

--
Wessel Dankers <wsldanke@cs.ruu.nl>

`Never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to
others that what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what
you had been would have appeared to them to be otherwise.'

Loren Petrich wrote:

> repeat
>         -- Is the CD-ROM in the drive?
>         set diskList to list disks
>         if diskList contains "Lion King" then
>                 -- Yes, it is
>                 exit repeat
>         else
>                 -- No, it isn't
>                 display dialog
>                         "The \"Lion King \" CD-ROM is not in the drive.
>                         To run it, please put it in the drive.
>                         Press \"OK\" when you have done so;
>                         \"Cancel\" if you don't want to run it now."
>                 -- Fall-through continue if "OK"; "Cancel" quite
>         end if
> end repeat
> try
>         -- Here's my favorite file-management utility for PeeCee disks:
>         tell application "Finder"
>                 select file "Lion King:Lion King" -- whatever it's called
>                 open selection -- run it
>         end tell
> on error
>         display dialog "Could not start up the \"Lion King\" CD-ROM.
>                 Please tell Mommy and Daddy about this great calamity.
>                 Press either button to continue"
>         -- don't care which button got pressed
> end try

Are you gonna explain *this* to your 4-year-old?

--
(Amiga front)

`Never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to
others that what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what
you had been would have appeared to them to be otherwise.'

In article <3132DCD1.4A7B@cs.ruu.nl>,
Wessel Dankers  <wsldanke@cs.ruu.nl> wrote:
>Loren Petrich wrote:

	[Long AppleScript for one-stop running of "The Lion King" CD-ROM 
deleted] 

>Are you gonna explain *this* to your 4-year-old?

	Although I personally don't have a 4-year-old, I'd just say 
"Double-click on this program and it will start 'The Lion King' for you 
-- and will tell you if its CD-ROM is not put in."

>(Amiga front)

	Try explaining the equivalent ARexx script to *your* 4-year-old :-)
-- 
Loren Petrich				Happiness is a fast Macintosh
petrich@netcom.com			And a fast train
My home page: ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/pe/petrich/home.html
Or ftp to ftp.netcom.com and go to /pub/pe/petrich

acbrown@ix.netcom.com (Allan Brown) wrote:

>ekleberr@infinet.com (ALE) wrote:

>...snip
>>> 
>>> there are way more than a hunder, there were at least 50 before it was
>>> released. your not smarter!! duh??

>>Really?  More than a hunder?  I can't beleave it!  More than hunder!  HEY
>>EVERYBODY!! THERES MORE THAN A HUNDER!!!  What was that about being
>>smarter?

>>> did you know mac's are now using the PCI slot???? do you know where
>>> this slot originated??? IBM PC'S!!! wow!!

>>Was this supposed to be news or something? There is a diffrence, when you
>>plug in a card, depending on what it is, it may not be plug & play.  When
>>we plug in a card, its always plug and play.

>>> Bundy, Al

>>Go back to peg.

>>ALE

>More proof the public school system is failing us.

What about all the stuff that Microsoft have copied from  Apple? eg
Windows  

> What about all the stuff that Microsoft have copied from  Apple? eg
> Windows  

> In message ID <312DCC6A.28B2@borg.com> on 23.02.1996, Walter A. Koziarz
> <walt_k@borg.com> wrote:
> 
> >  junk, hardware and software... apple can build *neither* 
> > they need to rest on their laurels from the apple][... the only decent 
> > and dependable box they ever made)

my new 7500 has had its problems. but they were easy to remedy and the
performance is more than i could have hoped for. all the technical debate
over Wintel vs. Mac is moot. the fact is that a relatively small # of mac
users
produce much more stunning work in less time than pc users. most pc users
don't even dream of doing the things that you can create on a mac. the
DOS/Windows geeks who bitch about apple users not knowing what's "going on
inside" their machines are missing the point. you can crawl inside a mac
too(as i do) if you want to. but you don't HAVE to! 

the info age is just really becoming relevant to the average person and
it's very easy for a monopoly like microsoft to cram a mediocre product
down the throats of a newbie public. but as the educated use of info tech.
becomes more commonplace, it won't be so easy to snow people who really
need a SATISFYING and PRODUCTIVE experience with their machines. i had
barely touched a mac until 8 months ago because i thought i was too
technically inclined for such a toy. but now i can't take my hands off of
it. however, if apple continues to blunder and someone else picks up the
ball, i wouldn't hesitate to switch. but i don't see that happening; and i
certainly don't see Wintel doing anything but becoming bloated by its
success at marketing its clunky products.

G'Day Loren Petrich, you wrote:
: In article <3132DCD1.4A7B@cs.ruu.nl>,
: Wessel Dankers  <wsldanke@cs.ruu.nl> wrote:
: >Loren Petrich wrote:

: 	[Long AppleScript for one-stop running of "The Lion King" CD-ROM 
: deleted] 

: >Are you gonna explain *this* to your 4-year-old?

: 	Although I personally don't have a 4-year-old, I'd just say 
: "Double-click on this program and it will start 'The Lion King' for you 
: -- and will tell you if its CD-ROM is not put in."

: >(Amiga front)

: 	Try explaining the equivalent ARexx script to *your* 4-year-old :-)

How about "Double-click on this program and it will start 'The Lion King' 
for you -- and will tell you if its CD-ROM is not put in." :-)

The Arexx script could even be used to start an Animation on Workbench
showing how to insert the CD into the drive, and which keys are used to
control it


: -- 
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: petrich@netcom.com			And a fast train
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Gil Colgate <gcolgate@siruis.com> wrote:

|> If you don't like autoplay, just turn it off on the system properties.
|> Or hold down the shift key when inserting the CD.
|> I like autoplay, especially for games, and especially for the munchkins 
|> that live here.

Sorry mate, it don't work - at least not on my system. Holding down
the shift key only delays the start of the autoplay junk. And why did
microsoft not see fit to include an opton on the menus instead of
making you fart around with these properties dialogues, and why not
give you some clear documentation... 
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Colin Mahoney ( cmahoney@readysoft.es )
Sabadell, Spain
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On Thu, 07 Mar 1996 10:33:11 GMT, cmahoney@readysoft.es (Colin
Mahoney) wrote:

>Gil Colgate <gcolgate@siruis.com> wrote:
>
>|> If you don't like autoplay, just turn it off on the system properties.
>|> Or hold down the shift key when inserting the CD.
>|> I like autoplay, especially for games, and especially for the munchkins 
>|> that live here.
>
>Sorry mate, it don't work - at least not on my system. Holding down
>the shift key only delays the start of the autoplay junk. And why did

Works for me.  Perhaps you aren't doing it early enough?

>microsoft not see fit to include an opton on the menus instead of
>making you fart around with these properties dialogues, and why not
>give you some clear documentation... 

They did include menus - in the CD Properties area, because, (!)
you're setting the properties of the CDROM as a whole.  Where else,
exactly, could they put a menu?  

> What about all the stuff that Microsoft have copied from  Apple? eg
> Windows

FWIW - (And not meaning any type of flame war too start - this post 
doesn't belong in this group anyway... Just looking for historical 
accuracy :)

Actually, I believe that Microsoft WROTE all the Apple OS stuff for the 
MAC - hence their knowledge enough to be the only spread/word proc game 
in town at the time - Ever see MS stuff for PC in the mid 80's????
MS just did their usual thang and ignored a non-disclosure agreement 
with Apple, - and if I'm not mistaken, MS won in court.

David Corn wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 07 Mar 1996 10:33:11 GMT, cmahoney@readysoft.es (Colin
> Mahoney) wrote:
> They did include menus - in the CD Properties area, because, (!)
> you're setting the properties of the CDROM as a whole.  Where else,
> exactly, could they put a menu?

Perhaps on the context menu of the CD drive icon in My Computer??
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In article <31462de3.46002026@news.onramp.net>, 
dcorn@paradise.pplnet.com says...
>
>On Thu, 07 Mar 1996 10:33:11 GMT, cmahoney@readysoft.es (Colin
>Mahoney) wrote:
>
>>Gil Colgate <gcolgate@siruis.com> wrote:
>>
>>|> If you don't like autoplay, just turn it off on the system 
properties.
>>|> Or hold down the shift key when inserting the CD.
>>|> I like autoplay, especially for games, and especially for the 
munchkins 
>>|> that live here.
>>
>>Sorry mate, it don't work - at least not on my system. Holding down
>>the shift key only delays the start of the autoplay junk. And why did
>
>Works for me.  Perhaps you aren't doing it early enough?
>
>>microsoft not see fit to include an opton on the menus instead of
>>making you fart around with these properties dialogues, and why not
>>give you some clear documentation... 
>
>They did include menus - in the CD Properties area, because, (!)
>you're setting the properties of the CDROM as a whole.  Where else,
>exactly, could they put a menu?  

I have just the other problem I can not get the CD-Rom to Auto Play, It 
was working and the CD-Rom went out I was sent a new Drive I installed 
and It works Great but Will not Auto Play and i have tried everything 
even talked to MS Teck and they cant get it to work ANY IDEA????????? 
Please respond by email rdulin@ix.netcom.com

In article <31463DCC.4966@hic.net>, Brien Stears <bastears@hic.net> wrote:

:> What about all the stuff that Microsoft have copied from  Apple? eg
:> Windows
:
:FWIW - (And not meaning any type of flame war too start - this post 
:doesn't belong in this group anyway... Just looking for historical 
:accuracy :)
:
:Actually, I believe that Microsoft WROTE all the Apple OS stuff for the 
:MAC - hence their knowledge enough to be the only spread/word proc game 
:in town at the time - Ever see MS stuff for PC in the mid 80's????
:MS just did their usual thang and ignored a non-disclosure agreement 
:with Apple, - and if I'm not mistaken, MS won in court.

Nope, completely untrue. Maybe you're thinking of Applesoft Basic for the
Apple II, which Microsoft did indeed write. In return for developing Excel
and Word for the Mac (which didn't require any priviledged
knowledge--"Inside Macintosh" was available to developers and provided all
the info required to develop Mac applications), Bill Gates extorted from
Apple a license to use those features of the Apple GUI that were in
Windows 1.0. This probably seemed like a reasonable deal to Apple, because
Windows was very different in important respects, using tiled windows
instead of overlapping, for example. And people didn't really realize what
a shark Gates was back then. When Microsoft then released subsequent
versions of Windows that were more directly imitative of the Mac
interface, Apple realized that they'd been had, and tried to draw the line
in court. But Apple had been outmaneuvered. The features covered by the
license were actually the most distinctive graphical elements of the Mac
interface. Some other important aspects, such as the overlapping windows,
were not really original with Apple, being a legacy from the Xerox PARC
(although, contrary to myth, the Mac interface is not a clone of the PARC
GUI). The court ruled that those features that were both original with
Apple and not covered by the license agreement were not significant enough
to support Apple's copyright infringement claim. This left Gates free to
clone the Mac interface directly, and the other major distinguishing
elements of Windows, such as the separate file manager and program
manager, were abandoned with the release of Windows '95.

On Wed, 13 Mar 1996 08:35:33 -0600, Tom Westbrook
<twstbrk@skypoint.com> wrote:

>David Corn wrote:
>> 
>> On Thu, 07 Mar 1996 10:33:11 GMT, cmahoney@readysoft.es (Colin
>> Mahoney) wrote:
>> They did include menus - in the CD Properties area, because, (!)
>> you're setting the properties of the CDROM as a whole.  Where else,
>> exactly, could they put a menu?
>
>Perhaps on the context menu of the CD drive icon in My Computer??

And force a user to INDIVIDUALLY set it for each and every CDROM?

No.  

I support how MS did it; I think it works best that way.