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Tony Cooper (NoSpam@geocities.com) wrote:
: Rajnish wrote:
: > Hello,
<snip>

: most cdroms will only run under 95 with the original cd driver and mscdex.you
  ^^^^^^^^^^^ ???????? What are you talking about? Almost all new CDROM and
most old old ones run fine with the IDE driver provided by Win95. I have
installed CDROM drives in several machines with no problems.

: may have one of these, so just use the dos based driver and include it in the
: config.sys, etc when your finished setting it up.  This is how I setup most of
: the boxes at most of my clients and leads to less problems then letting windows
: load/unload it randomly wiv its plug n pray manager.
: gb


Unless the CDROM drivers are Win95 you will probably find that the system is
less stable as it is running real mode drivers. A quick look in the system 
settings will also show the majority of these running the CDROM in 16bit
compatibility mode.

As for the original problem....have you had a look in the device listing in
system properties? Maybe IRQ14 is assigned to something else and that is
why the system can not find it. Or have you tried to manually install the 
CDROM drive instead of using the autodetect??

cheers,
Nogi



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In article <3568D747.308A64EB@geocities.com>, Tony Cooper <NoSpam@geocities.com> wrote:
>
>
>Rajnish wrote:
>
>>
>>         In 16 bit mode, the CDROM is with irq 14, and address 1F0.
>>         If I unconfigure this in the config.sys file and do autodetect
>>         in win95, still there is no difference.
>>
>
>most cdroms will only run under 95 with the original cd driver and mscdex.you
>may have one of these, so just use the dos based driver and include it in the
>config.sys, etc when your finished setting it up.  This is how I setup most of
>the boxes at most of my clients and leads to less problems then letting windows
>load/unload it randomly wiv its plug n pray manager.

My experience has been the exact opposite of yours. In the dozen or so boxes I 
have either installed or upgraded to Windows 95 I have only had problems with 
SCSI cdrom's being detected and a IRQ conflict between the onboard IDE 
controller and a NIC card. Those problems I traced back to problems with the 
adaptor card which either wasn't detected(generic NCR810) or needed the driver 
MCAM18XX.SYS(Adaptec 2920). Now if I am setting up a machine also to run in 
DOS as well as Windows I will install the driver in the Config.sys and set up 
a bat file to implement the cdrom when in DOS.
 
To Rajnish : 

Check the IRQ's the cdrom maybe inconflict with another device. Also if you 
can move the cdrom to IDE1 if you have a onboard controller.

Paul       

On 25 May 1998 01:59:34 GMT, NOSPAM.rt_1998@hotmail.com (Rajnish)
wrote:

>Hello,
>	I have a CD-ROM attached as slave on primary IDE interface.
>	The box has win95. And currently, the CDROM is accessed using
>	MSCDEX.

This may not work but it did for a friend of mine...
Put your CD-ROM as master on the secondary IDE port, dont forget to
change the jumper from slave to master. You may also need to tell your
bios about it by setting it to auto detect the drive.

Tony

http://www.netpathway.com/~kramer/joetips1.html

If your CDROM is running in "compatibility mode":

Windows probably put a NOIDE entry into this registry key,
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CURRENTCONTROLSET\SERVICES\VDX\IOS and you must
remove it. This entry is put there any time Win95 can't load 32-bit drivers,
and after it's in there you can't load Windows drivers on boot-up until it's
gone. Search the Registry for NOIDE. When found, delete it and reboot.
Windows should now rediscover your CDROM and let you install drivers.


Rajnish wrote in message <896061572.546377@happy.isa.nec.com.au>...
>Hello,
> I have a CD-ROM attached as slave on primary IDE interface.
> The box has win95. And currently, the CDROM is accessed using
> MSCDEX.
>
> When I try win95 to detect the cd-rom it cannot find it.
> I.E. auto detect hardware does not find it.
>
> In 16 bit mode, the CDROM is with irq 14, and address 1F0.
> If I unconfigure this in the config.sys file and do autodetect
> in win95, still there is no difference.
>
> Can anyone advise me or suggest to me as to what other alternatives
> I have to getting win95 to see my CDROM.
>
> Thanks in advance. Please reply to newsgroup. (If not then
> please remove "NOSPAM." from the header when hitting reply).
>
>Cheers,
>Rajnish
>
>
>

In article <6kb6pb$q63$1@hermes.bit.net.au>, nogi@bit.net.au says...
>
>Tony Cooper (NoSpam@geocities.com) wrote:
>: Rajnish wrote:
>: > Hello,
><snip>
>
>: most cdroms will only run under 95 with the original cd driver and 
mscdex.you
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^ ???????? What are you talking about? Almost all new CDROM and
>most old old ones run fine with the IDE driver provided by Win95. I have
>installed CDROM drives in several machines with no problems.

hehe.. 100% correct Noeneel, in fact win95 uses its own
aspi driver (even as a transparent tsr if necessary) and attempts to disable 
mscdex or any similar real mode drivers.

The problem sounds like either busmaster drivers have been loaded ontop
of a prop. driver or the mainboard prefers the cdrom as a slave on a 
different IDE channel (as some do.) IRQ conflicts with cdroms are rare, but
address conflicts are common.

Mitch.

Rajnish wrote:

> Hello,
>         I have a CD-ROM attached as slave on primary IDE interface.
>         The box has win95. And currently, the CDROM is accessed using
>         MSCDEX.
>
>         When I try win95 to detect the cd-rom it cannot find it.
>         I.E. auto detect hardware does not find it.
>
>         In 16 bit mode, the CDROM is with irq 14, and address 1F0.
>         If I unconfigure this in the config.sys file and do autodetect
>         in win95, still there is no difference.
>
>         Can anyone advise me or suggest to me as to what other alternatives
>         I have to getting win95 to see my CDROM.
>
>         Thanks in advance. Please reply to newsgroup. (If not then
>         please remove "NOSPAM." from the header when hitting reply).
>
> Cheers,
> Rajnish

most cdroms will only run under 95 with the original cd driver and mscdex.you
may have one of these, so just use the dos based driver and include it in the
config.sys, etc when your finished setting it up.  This is how I setup most of
the boxes at most of my clients and leads to less problems then letting windows
load/unload it randomly wiv its plug n pray manager.
gb

Mitch wrote:

> >  ^^^^^^^^^^^ ???????? What are you talking about? Almost all new CDROM and
> >most old old ones run fine with the IDE driver provided by Win95. I have
> >installed CDROM drives in several machines with no problems.

good for you but out of the 2 dozen machines I've installed new cdroms in I've
found using the real mode cdrom more effectiveI was only providing a workaround
which I found works.
I loathe 95 and whilst I install it on customers machines, I prefer to run
decent software at home, namely Linux not that gates crap
so unless you have something constructive to add go away.
gb

Tony Cooper (NoSpam@geocities.com) wrote:
: good for you but out of the 2 dozen machines I've installed new cdroms in I've
: found using the real mode cdrom more effectiveI was only providing a workaround
: which I found works.
: I loathe 95 and whilst I install it on customers machines, I prefer to run
: decent software at home, namely Linux not that gates crap

I was in no way endorsing MS products. I myself prefer Linux or soon the BEOS.
But the sad truth is lack of software for other and probably better OS's.

: so unless you have something constructive to add go away.

Did you not read the full post? I did add the comment of checking the device
manager for conflicting IRQs or manually adding the CDROM. Why don't you read
the entire posting before replying next time. :-)

Nogi

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On Tue, 26 May 1998 01:52:33 +0800, Tony Cooper <NoSpam@geocities.com>
wrote:

>
>
>Mitch wrote:
>
>> >  ^^^^^^^^^^^ ???????? What are you talking about? Almost all new CDROM and
>> >most old old ones run fine with the IDE driver provided by Win95. I have
>> >installed CDROM drives in several machines with no problems.
>
>good for you but out of the 2 dozen machines I've installed new cdroms in I've
>found using the real mode cdrom more effectiveI was only providing a workaround
>which I found works.
>I loathe 95 and whilst I install it on customers machines, I prefer to run
>decent software at home, namely Linux not that gates crap
>so unless you have something constructive to add go away.
>gb


Well then you must be installing some off the wall no name brand
proprietary CD then.  (read cheap and not fully IDE ATAPI compliant)

Noeneel Sharma wrote:
<snip>

> Did you not read the full post? I did add the comment of checking the device
> manager for conflicting IRQs or manually adding the CDROM. Why don't you read
> the entire posting before replying next time. :-)
>
>

I did read the whole post and regardless of irq settings.
If the irq settings are wrong, then the real mode drivers wont work either.
I don't need a smart alec to tell me to read the whole post which I had snipped
because I was replying to the specific section aimed at me.
There is a list of specific cdrom drives on the web somewhere, can't remember off
hand
the address, if you go and look at it you will see that regardless of what irq you
put in, some, in fact quite a lot of ide cdrom drives will work only with real mode
drivers under loose95
so like I said before he should try the real mode drivers first because if they don't

work nothing will.
If I stumble across that website ill post it, but im sure if your patient enough you
will find it in a search engine yourself.
It did also contain links to drivers for those cd' drives
gb

In article <3569AFE1.25DD7C0D@geocities.com>, NoSpam@geocities.com says...
>
>
>
>Mitch wrote:
>
>> >  ^^^^^^^^^^^ ???????? What are you talking about? Almost all new CDROM and
>> >most old old ones run fine with the IDE driver provided by Win95. I have
>> >installed CDROM drives in several machines with no problems.
>
>good for you but out of the 2 dozen machines I've installed new cdroms in I've
>found using the real mode cdrom more effectiveI was only providing a 
workaround
>which I found works.
>I loathe 95 and whilst I install it on customers machines, I prefer to run
>decent software at home, namely Linux not that gates crap
>so unless you have something constructive to add go away.
>gb
>

...if you read the thread carefully I *did not* write the above statement.

Mitch.

Tony Cooper (NoSpam@geocities.com) wrote:
: I did read the whole post and regardless of irq settings.
: If the irq settings are wrong, then the real mode drivers wont work either.
: I don't need a smart alec to tell me to read the whole post which I had snipped
: because I was replying to the specific section aimed at me.

I am sorry you took it personally as i was just providing the original poster
with a different opinion. When I was talking about IRQ settings i ment checking
other devices to see if they shared the same IRQ as the CDROM. It is possible,
when using a plug and pray bios and letting Win95 handle everything that things
can get screwed up. I have seen systems with the SCSI card and video card share
the same IRQ with no problems at all. Try and change it and Win95 falls over.
I totally agree with your proposal of using real mode drivers to test the drive
but i have to disagree with the point you made of most ide drives failing in
similiar situations. I would be very interested in seeing this site that you have
talked about and finding out on what research the facts are based on. In my
opinion if a product has the Win95 logo then it should work fine under win95
(not that it is always the case it seems).

The other thing you may consider is that the list of CDROM drives that 
"do not" work under Win95 on this "site" could be manufactored in the same
factory and just have their badges slapped on. But without seeing this site
I can't really comment. I will try to find the site when i get a chance but
if you happen to locate the URL please post it here or send it to me via email.
Again, I must say that this is in no way a personal attack on you.

cheers,
Nogi


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Noeneel Sharma wrote:

> I am sorry you took it personally as i was just providing the original poster
> with a different opinion. When I was talking about IRQ settings i ment checking
> other devices to see if they shared the same IRQ as the CDROM. It is possible,
> when using a plug and pray bios and letting Win95 handle everything that things
> can get screwed up. I have seen systems with the SCSI card and video card share
> the same IRQ with no problems at all. Try and change it and Win95 falls over.
> I totally agree with your proposal of using real mode drivers to test the drive
> but i have to disagree with the point you made of most ide drives failing in
> similiar situations. I would be very interested in seeing this site that you have
> talked about and finding out on what research the facts are based on. In my
> opinion if a product has the Win95 logo then it should work fine under win95
> (not that it is always the case it seems).
>

zok thaz wot u get fer reeden news wen ur sposed tuh b sleeping :)
ie i waz buggered n u just happened to catch me off guard.
Im usually not an ogre, well not all the time <grin>
the irq point is very valid but well u red my last post u no wot i sed bout real mode
drivers n them not werkin etc meenen nuffin will.
no offense taken and sorry for getting a bit hot under the collar
gb

Tony Cooper (NoSpam@geocities.com) wrote:
<snip>
: zok thaz wot u get fer reeden news wen ur sposed tuh b sleeping :)
: ie i waz buggered n u just happened to catch me off guard.
: Im usually not an ogre, well not all the time <grin>
: the irq point is very valid but well u red my last post u no wot i sed bout real mode
: drivers n them not werkin etc meenen nuffin will.
: no offense taken and sorry for getting a bit hot under the collar
: gb


No problem. Just out of curiousity was the CDROM drives you have had problems
with on that list I posted?

Nogi
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-------------------------------------------------------------
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Email: nsharma@nogi.org		
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Hello again,

Ok as the article below says "Windows 95 can access most CD-ROM 
drives in protected mode"

This was found at: http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q131/4/99.asp

--------

D-ROM Drives Requiring Real-Mode Drivers
Last reviewed: April 29, 1998
Article ID: Q131499  
The information in this article applies to: 
Microsoft Windows 95 


SUMMARY
Windows 95 can access most CD-ROM drives in protected mode. However, 
unsupported CD-ROM drives must use the real-mode drivers provided by 
the vendor. If you use real-mode drivers for your CD-ROM drive, you 
should use SMARTDrive to obtain optimum performance with the CD-ROM 
drive. 

SMARTDrive is a disk-caching tool included with versions of MS-DOS 
and Windows. Only version 5.0 of SMARTDrive, included with MS-DOS 
version 6.2 and Windows 95, can cache CD-ROM drives. 

This article lists CD-ROM drives that require real-mode drivers to 
either work in Windows 95 or be detected by Windows 95. 

Real-mode CD-ROM drivers include: 

Drivers that must be loaded in the Config.sys file. 
The Microsoft CD-ROM Extensions (MSCDEX) driver (or third-party 
equivalent) that must be loaded in the Autoexec.bat file. 

MORE INFORMATION


Backpack CD-ROM (External/Parallel Port) from Micro Solutions
The Backpack CD-ROM drive has a proprietary parallel port interface 
and is not automatically recognized by Windows 95 or Windows NT 3.51 
and 4.0. Current Backpack CD-ROM drive models can use a 32-bit 
protected-mode driver obtainable from the manufacturer for compatibility
with Windows 95 and Windows NT 3.51 and 4.0. This driver can be downloaded 
from the Software Library at Micro Solutions' Web site at: 


   http://www.micro-solutions.com

This 32-bit driver loads under SCSI Devices and appears in Device 
Manager in Windows 95 or Control Panel in Windows NT. 
The Backpack CD-ROM drive 16-bit real-mode driver can also be used as 
an alternative in Windows 95 if it is loaded in the Config.sys file 
and Mscdex.exe (or equivalent) is loaded in the Autoexec.bat file. 
Early models of Backpack CD-ROM drives (single-speed model 160550 and 
double- speed model 162550) must use the 16-bit driver, as they are not
compatible with Micro Solutions' 32-bit driver. Therefore, these early 
models of Backpack CD-ROM drives are not compatible with Windows NT 
3.51 or 4.0. 

If Windows 95 or Windows NT still does not access the Backpack CD-ROM 
drive, or for information about driver parameters, configuration options
or Windows NT installation steps, please refer to the driver documentation 
or check the Technical Support area of Micro Solutions' Web site at 
http://www.micro-solutions.com before you call Micro Solutions. 



CD-ROM Drives on Mozart Sound Cards
Windows 95 requires that the MOZINIT.SYS real-mode driver be loaded in 
the Config.sys file and MSCDEX (or equivalent) be loaded in the Autoexec.bat 
file to access the CD-ROM drive. This driver is necessary to set up the 
hardware. 

For information about the parameters for MOZINIT.SYS and MSCDEX, please 
refer to the drive's documentation or contact the manufacturer. 



Chinon CDS-435 or CDS-535
When you install Windows 95 on a computer with a Chinon CDS-435 or 
CDS-535 CD-ROM drive, the hardware detection portion of Setup does not 
detect the CD-ROM controller. When Setup is finished, you cannot access 
the CD-ROM drive, and the drive is not listed in Device Manager. 

The Chinon CDS-435 and CDS-535 CD-ROM drives use a proprietary SCSI 
controller card that is not supported by the Windows 95 protected-mode 
SCSI drivers. 

To use the Chinon CDS-435 or CDS-535 CD-ROM drive with Windows 95, use 
the real-mode device drivers that are included with the drive. 

For information about installing the device drivers, please refer to the 
documentation that is shipped with the drive, or contact Chinon Technical
Support. 



Creative Labs Sound Blaster Value CD4x MK4062
The CD4x MK4062 is not detected by Windows 95 when connected to the IDE 
controller on the sound card. An updated driver, Sbide-95.exe, can be 
downloaded from Creative Labs to correct this problem. 



Matsushita or Panasonic CD-ROM Drives on Ensoniq Soundscape Cards
Windows 95 cannot detect Matsushita/Panasonic CD-ROM drives if they are 
connected to Ensoniq Soundscape sound cards. This is because the Ensoniq 
sound card offers different I/O ports for the Matsushita/Panasonic interface 
than the Windows 95 Panasonic CD-ROM driver supports. The real- mode 
drivers for these drives must be used. 



Media Vision Reno
Windows 95 cannot access this CD-ROM drive without the real-mode driver 
being loaded in the Config.sys file and MSCDEX (or equivalent) being 
loaded in the Autoexec.bat file. 

If Windows 95 still does not access the CD-ROM drive, or for information 
about the parameters for the real-mode CD-ROM driver and MSCDEX, please
refer to the drive's documentation or contact the manufacturer. 



NEC CDR-38, NEC CDR-250, CDR-260, CDR-260R, CDR-260GW
The NEC CDR-38, NEC CDR-250, CDR-260, CDR-260R, and CDR-260GW CD-ROM 
drives are incompatible with the ATAPI specification version 1.2. 
Therefore, Windows 95 cannot detect these drives if NEC_IDE.SYS is not 
loaded in the Config.sys file and MSCDEX (or equivalent) is not loaded 
in the Autoexec.bat file. After Windows 95 detects these drivers, it 
uses protected-mode drivers to access the CD-ROM drive. 

For information about the parameters for NEC_IDE.SYS and MSCDEX, please 
refer to the drive's documentation or contact the manufacturer. 



NEC 55-JD
Windows 95 cannot access this CD-ROM drive without the real-mode driver 
being loaded in the Config.sys file and MSCDEX (or equivalent) being 
loaded in the Autoexec.bat file. 

If Windows 95 still does not access the CD-ROM drive, or for information 
about the parameters for the real-mode CD-ROM driver and MSCDEX, please 
refer to the drive's documentation or contact the manufacturer. 



Philips CD-ROM on Media Vision Fusion 16 Sound Card
Windows 95 cannot access this CD-ROM drive when it is attached to a Media
Vision Fusion 16 sound card without the real-mode driver being loaded in 
the Config.sys file and MSCDEX (or equivalent) being loaded in the 
Autoexec.bat file. 

If Windows 95 still does not access the CD-ROM drive, or for information 
about the parameters for the real-mode CD-ROM driver and MSCDEX, please 
refer to the drive's documentation or contact the manufacturer. 



Philips CM205 and CM206 Proprietary CD-ROM Drives
Windows 95 cannot access this CD-ROM drive without the real-mode driver 
being loaded in the Config.sys file and MSCDEX (or equivalent) being 
loaded in the Autoexec.bat file. 

If Windows 95 still does not access the CD-ROM drive, or for information 
about the parameters for the real-mode CD-ROM driver and MSCDEX, please 
refer to the drive's documentation or contact the manufacturer. 

MediaVision has released a Windows 95 driver for the Phillips CM205/206 
CD-ROM drives. Obtain the 206w95.exe file from the MediaVision Web site 
(www.mediavis.com) or FTP server (ftp.mediavis.com). 



Pinnacle Micro PCD-100
Windows 95 may detect this single-speed drive as a Mitsumi CD-ROM drive 
(because it loads MTMCDD.SYS in the Config.sys file) and load the protected-mode 
Mitsumi drivers. These drivers do not work with the Pinnacle CD-ROM drive. 
To enable the CD-ROM drive, you must reload MTMCDD.SYS and MSCDEX (or 
equivalent). 

For information about the parameters for the real-mode CD-ROM driver and 
MSCDEX, please refer to the drive's documentation or contact the 
manufacturer. 



Sanyo (TORISAN) CDR-C3G Multidisk ATAPI CD-ROM
Windows 95 cannot access this CD-ROM drive without the real-mode driver 
being loaded in the Config.sys file and MSCDEX (or equivalent) being 
loaded in the Autoexec.bat file. 

If Windows 95 still does not access the CD-ROM drive, or for information 
about the parameters for the real-mode CD-ROM driver and MSCDEX, please 
refer to the drive's documentation or contact the manufacturer. 

For additional information, please see the Hardware.txt file in the 
Windows folder, or see the following article in the Microsoft Knowledge 
Base: 


   ARTICLE-ID: Q135896
   TITLE     : Windows 95 CD-ROM Hardware.txt File

Sony CDU-6201-20
Windows 95 cannot access this CD-ROM drive without the real-mode driver 
being loaded in the Config.sys file and MSCDEX (or equivalent) being 
loaded in the Autoexec.bat file. 

If Windows 95 still does not access the CD-ROM drive, or for information 
about the parameters for the real-mode CD-ROM driver and MSCDEX, please 
refer to the drive's documentation or contact the manufacturer. 



Teac CD55A Proprietary CD-ROM
Windows 95 cannot access this CD-ROM drive without the real-mode driver 
being loaded in the Config.sys file and MSCDEX (or equivalent) being 
loaded in the Autoexec.bat file. 

If Windows 95 still does not access the CD-ROM drive, or for information 
about the parameters for the real-mode CD-ROM driver and MSCDEX, please 
refer to the drive's documentation or contact the manufacturer. 

A Windows 95 driver for the Teac CD55A CD-ROM drive can be obtained from 
Teac. The driver file name is Cd55_w95.zip. Earlier drivers require 
MSCDEX. 

NOTE: The Teac CD55A Windows 95 driver works only with Sound Blaster 
cards; it does not work with Sound Blaster-compatible cards. For additional 
information, see the Readme.txt file included with the driver. 




Wearnes CDD-110
Windows 95 cannot access this CD-ROM drive without the real-mode driver 
being loaded in the Config.sys file and MSCDEX (or equivalent) being 
loaded in the Autoexec.bat file. 

If Windows 95 still does not access the CD-ROM drive, or for information 
about the parameters for the real-mode CD-ROM driver and MSCDEX, please 
refer to the drive's documentation or contact the manufacturer. 



Mitsumi FX001D & FX001 CD-ROM Drive
These double-speed drives require the real-mode Fx116.exe driver that is 
available on Mitsumi's Web site (www.mitsumi.com). Although these drives 
are detected by Setup and the Add New Hardware Wizard, the protected-mode 
driver does not work and generates a "Windows performed an illegal operation" 
error message at 215D:3F42. Use the real-mode drivers instead. 

Noeneel Sharma wrote:

> No problem. Just out of curiousity was the CDROM drives you have had problems
> with on that list I posted?
>
> Nogi

They were mitsumi and I found it was easy to install the real mode drivers because
occasionally, for some stranje reason windows95 would see fit to unload anything from
network drivers through to cdrom drivers at random.  Because the real mode drivers are in
the config.sys and autoexec.bat they then become unaffected by windows idiosynchozies.
I've also experienced similar problems with diamond and toshiba drives.
across platforms from 486sx's with pure isa bus with a simple piggy back ide controller
configuration through to pentiums where I was able to put cdrom on its own data channel
There seems to be no ryhme nor reason to the way plug n play works or in most cases i've
found it doesn't work.
gimme linux anyday where you tell the os what you got and it just uses it without
complaing.
gb

NOSPAM.rt_1998@hotmail.com (Rajnish) wrote:

[snip]

>There is always the real mode drivers which I can use ...
>and that way I am accessing my CD-ROM now.
>
>The problem which prompted me to try loading windows drivers
>for the CD-ROM was that I could NOT read non-iso9660 cd's on
>my CD-ROM. 

[snip]

Make sure your using a later version of MSCDEX.EXE, like the one shipped
with Win95.

ie AUTOEXEC.BAT
  :
  :
  C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\MSCDEX.EXE /D: ...
  __   __   _______________________________
 //)) //)) | Richard RUDEK. MicroDek.      | Insert sh, ah,
//\\ //\\  | Chatswood, Sydney. Australia. |  witty comment here. :)
           `-------------------------------'

Thanks all for keeping this thread going for so long.

As might have been suggested or implied (or not),....
I have been to the ms support site, read the article, got to
creative labs and got sbide95.exe as stated. Tried it and ..
. no difference. Windows 95 just will not see my CD-ROM.
Sigh ..

There is always the real mode drivers which I can use ...
and that way I am accessing my CD-ROM now.

The problem which prompted me to try loading windows drivers
for the CD-ROM was that I could NOT read non-iso9660 cd's on
my CD-ROM. 

For instance, if I cut a CD with long file names and do not
use full iso9660 standard in doing so, I CANNOT read those
files which are longer than 8 characters. 

I put the same CD into a linux box, windows NT and I can
read every file, long file name or not. That prompted me
to find out why my win95 was different ... and I concluded
that the drivers (real mode) I was using were fully iso9660 compliant.
Any deviation .. and it could not read it.

That is my story.

Thanks once again to everyone.

Rajnish

In article <356D5C17.15626696@geocities.com>
Tony Cooper <NoSpam@geocities.com> wrote:

> 
> 
> Noeneel Sharma wrote:
> 
>> No problem. Just out of curiousity was the CDROM drives you have had problems
>> with on that list I posted?
>>
>> Nogi
> 
> They were mitsumi and I found it was easy to install the real mode drivers because
> occasionally, for some stranje reason windows95 would see fit to unload anything from
> network drivers through to cdrom drivers at random.  Because the real mode drivers are in
> the config.sys and autoexec.bat they then become unaffected by windows idiosynchozies.
> I've also experienced similar problems with diamond and toshiba drives.
> across platforms from 486sx's with pure isa bus with a simple piggy back ide controller
> configuration through to pentiums where I was able to put cdrom on its own data channel
> There seems to be no ryhme nor reason to the way plug n play works or in most cases i've
> found it doesn't work.
> gimme linux anyday where you tell the os what you got and it just uses it without
> complaing.
> gb