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In article <4gsg72$bh@sonoma.internext.com>,
   jmoyles@internext.com (John Moyles) wrote:
>We've lost one of our systems which had Windows 95 on it.  The hard
>drive physically failed, and we've had to replace it.  In the old
>DOS+W3.11 or W4W days, we could just format the disk, throw DOS back
>on it, and restore everything...
>
>What do we do with Windows 95?

Since Win95 is an OS as well as a whole lot of other things, the MS 
theory is that setting it up on a new disk is like "trhwoing DOS onto it" 
- i.e. it needs reinstalling.

But we have had success restoring it onto an identical system - i.e. if 
you replace with the same drive, or if you are setting up a batch of 
several identical workstations on a LAN. In summary, what we do is this:

1. Disable long file name support on the source machine
2. Run LFNBK /b to back up all existing long file names.
3. Boot from a DOS diskette, make a DOS-level connection to the NT or 
Netware server, and run old-fashioned MSBACKUP to back up the entire disk 
onto the network.

4. SYS the new machine with Win95. then make a DOS - level connection to 
the server and restore the backup using MSBACKUP.
5. Reboot into Win95 and run LFNBK /r to restore long file names.
6. RE-enable long file name support.

It works and it beats detailed hands-on setup on a batch of customised 
but identical PCs.
5. S

John Moyles wrote:
> 
> We've lost one of our systems which had Windows 95 on it.  The hard
> drive physically failed, and we've had to replace it.  In the old
> DOS+W3.11 or W4W days, we could just format the disk, throw DOS back
> on it, and restore everything...
> 
> What do we do with Windows 95?I suspect the version of W95 you have is the upgrade version. If so, you 
must first install a copy of an earlier version of Windows (e.g. 3.1). 
Then simply do the upgrade, installing Windows95 in the Win 3.1 
directory (to avoid dual boot issues).

davec@tfb.com

David Cronshaw <davec@tfb.com> wrote:

;>John Moyles wrote:
;>> 
;>> We've lost one of our systems which had Windows 95 on it.  The hard
;>> drive physically failed, and we've had to replace it.  In the old
;>> DOS+W3.11 or W4W days, we could just format the disk, throw DOS back
;>> on it, and restore everything...
;>> 
;>> What do we do with Windows 95?I suspect the version of W95 you have is
the upgrade version. If so, you 
;>must first install a copy of an earlier version of Windows (e.g. 3.1). 
;>Then simply do the upgrade, installing Windows95 in the Win 3.1 
;>directory (to avoid dual boot issues).

;>davec@tfb.com

If you have the upgrade version of Win95 on CD or Floppies then all you
need to do to install it is start the install, even from a boot floppy with
a clean formatted hard drive (CD drivers on the boot floppy), and when
Win95 is checking for an older version of Windows it will allow you to put
the first disk of the old Windows into the floppy drive.  It checks that
you have it and never does anything else with it.  You continue with the
install.


Gordon McAndrew
LAN Manager
Alberta Environmental Centre
Alberta Canada
gmcandrew@aec.env.gov.ab.ca    -   Home  (403)632-6198

In article <4gsg72$bh@sonoma.internext.com>,
   jmoyles@internext.com (John Moyles) wrote:
>We've lost one of our systems which had Windows 95 on it.  The hard
>drive physically failed, and we've had to replace it.  In the old
>DOS+W3.11 or W4W days, we could just format the disk, throw DOS back
>on it, and restore everything...
>
>What do we do with Windows 95?
>
>

Well, the first question is, did you back up the system with a backup program 
that is aware of long filenames?
if so, there's a few things you can do:

if you used the included win95 backup program and you performed a "full system 
backup" (a special backup set which specifically backs up the registry and 
triggers the backup program to restore the registry when doing a restore)
you can fdisk, format, install a basic copy of win95, run the backup program 
and perform a full system restore. 

I also understand that now colorado and possibly arcada have win95 backup 
programs that will do basically the same thing.

if you didn't do a full system backup using the win95 backup, but the long 
filenames were still preserved, you could do a few things:

1. temporairly put the target drive as a secondary drive on a different system 
(configure it as slave if IDE, or make it a non-boot drive on a SCSI chain)
have win95 on the boot drive.
run the restore program, restoring the files to the target drive.
replace this target drive into the original system.
preserve the msdos.sys file in the root directory of the drive.. (hidden 
system read-only) i.e. rename the file temporairly.
with a win95 startup disk, "sys" the drive (sys a: c:)
restore the msdos.sys file on the hard drive.
reboot with the newly restored drive.
in theory, this should work.

2.  if there is some sort of DOS based restore program that is long filename 
aware, you can simply throw this program on a floppy (space allowing), boot to 
a startup disk, sys the drive, run your restore program, restore the files.

any body know if such a program exists??  if so, I'd like to know.

the main point here is that you must not trash the long filenames, or win95 
won't work properly.  if you did you system backup using a program that was 
not long filename aware, you _MAY_ be able to recover this situation by 
restoring, and then doing a win95 setup into the same directory using the 
option "copy all files" instead of "verify files that are missing or corrupt.

Good Luck-

Brent

jmoyles@internext.com (John Moyles) wrote:

>We've lost one of our systems which had Windows 95 on it.  The hard
>drive physically failed, and we've had to replace it.  In the old
>DOS+W3.11 or W4W days, we could just format the disk, throw DOS back
>on it, and restore everything...
>
>What do we do with Windows 95?

My plan (which worked as a means of installing a new HD)
Make a Startup disk (Add Programs |Startup disk)
Add to it any DOS device driver for CD ROM, and MSCDEX,
with appropriate config.sys and autoexec.bat
When needed, boot from this, run FDISK and Format as needed, then put
in the Win95 CD Rom, log to it and execute setup.exe.  When it asks
for evidence of Win3.1 give it the first of the Win3.1 installation
diskettes in A:
Then, once setup, restore everything. . . 
It will help to have made a copy of the registry files system.dat,
user.dat on a floppy - these can then be copied back from a DOS prompt
at the end to restore your exact settings - file associations etc.
And 	I'm handling the backup by using WINZIP to make copies of all
important permanent directories to Syquest removable disks -or some
other medium would do, but this allows long file names.  Sometime
there will be good backup software!
-- 
Alex Nichol

alexn@dial.pipex.com
Bournemouth UK

jmoyles@internext.com (John Moyles) wrote:

>We've lost one of our systems which had Windows 95 on it.  The hard
>drive physically failed, and we've had to replace it.  In the old
>DOS+W3.11 or W4W days, we could just format the disk, throw DOS back
>on it, and restore everything...

>What do we do with Windows 95?

Basically, exactly the same thing... AS LONG AS YOU STORED YOUR 
SYSTEM'S REGISTRY FILE ON YOUR BACKUP DEVICE! (That's kinda
key...)

I just did this last weekend...Install Windows95 on your new disk, pop
your tape (or whatever) in the drive, and run your restore program.
Let the tape put things where it wants to and you'll be fine.

On Sat, 02 Mar 1996 03:46:42 GMT, andersen@canuck.com (Andersen) wrote:

>I've read that you don't need to fully install the 3.1 version,
>rather when installing 95 it asks you to stick in the first 3.1
>version to prove you have it.  i.e. the upgrade is the same as the
>full version, just needs to see the first 3.1 disk before it will
>install.

I seem to remember that the setup program is a windows program... so how do
you run it without having win3.1 already installed?
-- 
I have to go now, my giraffe is on fire.
lucian@w-title.demon.co.uk

 
On Sun, 03 Mar 1996 12:46:31 GMT, in <31397bb9.3763765@news.demon.co.uk>
 lucian@w-title.demon.co.uk (Herodotus) wrote.....

[reinstalling win95 without installing win31x]

>I seem to remember that the setup program is a windows program... so how do
>you run it without having win3.1 already installed?

Well i managed it.

        Mark

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