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In article <d2YQz0E6AF+K092yn@momeraths.org>,
Sysop <MarchHare@momeraths.org> wrote:
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>In article <5hm4og$mjj@client2.news.psi.net>,
>os2@mistik.express.net (Mustafa Soysal MS57) wrote:
>>In article <lqWPz0E6Ah5c092yn@momeraths.org>,
>>Sysop <MarchHare@momeraths.org> wrote:
>>> <5gpddf$4ns@client2.news.psi.net>
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>>>In article <5gpddf$4ns@client2.news.psi.net>,
>>>os2@mistik.express.net (Mustafa Soysal MS57) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>;) Tell us where to buy it <G>.....There is no seperate developer's
>>>>toolkit available these days, it comes with the compiler.  Besides, that
>>>>linker has problems, and each time I get a new compiler package, I have
>>>>to replace the linker with the one in the compiler package.  If the
>>>>paths get mixed up, you'll end up using the wrong linker...
>>>
>>>Ironic how you like to call everyone else a liar, but cannot tell the 
>>>truth yourself.  Even more ironic is the fact that I just installed the 
>>>latest toolkit a few days ago after resubscribing to DevCon.  It 
>>
>>Ironic is that it came with the DevCon beta pile, amybe even as a beta
>>version, and was not available to purchase as a product toolkit of its
>>own.  Who is lying?
>
>Oh, so I get it now.  You'd rather have it _separately_ distributed so 
>that it would cost more to do so.

It would cost less to buy it.  Devcon costs more.

>
>>>definitely did not come with my compiler, Watcom 10.0b.  Maybe I'll 
>>
>>Watcom isn't the IBM compiler.  The IBM compiler is VAC++.  Besides, I
>>thought Watcom stopped developing for OS/2.
>
>"Watcom isn't the IBM compiler."  Gee, give that man a cigar!  And, how,
>praytell, did you stumble upon this bit of enlightenment?  Make up your 

;) It seems you could not see the light in front of you, maybe it was
just the glare...

>mind.  Either complain it isn't available "separately" or complain it 

Sure, to get the new version, I have to buy Devcon while the old version
came with the compiler.  You on the other hand, bought a non-ibm
compiler (I did the same mistake with borland and learned quickly) and
you are surprized that the developers kit wasn't included....I am not
the one complaining that it didn't come with your compiler, you are.

>doesn't come with the compiler.  As far as I'm concerned it is available
>separately from the compiler, which is a good thing, IMO.  I can use any

As I said, it is not.  It is available if you purchase Devcon, you can't
purchase it by itself which would cost a lot less.

Those who bought the IBM compiler with the developers kit included
cannot upgrade it by simply upgrading the developers kit since there is
no such upgrade.  You have to buy Devcon to copy something off it.  Then
there is the question of compatibilities etc.  Now that is what I
complained about.

>reasonable compiler and have results that do what I want instead of 
>having to be tied down to one specific compiler that may or may not do 
>everything I want.

Well, Borland discontinued its OS/2 compiler.  Watcom discontinued its
OS/2 VxRexx or the Watcom compiler.  My compiler is still in the market,
and guess what, there is an upcoming forum meeting in the Detroit area
which I got an invitation for.  Call Watcom and ask them about
java, smalltalk....or DB/2 support, etc ect.

Watcom may have its advantages for generating 16 bit code, but so does
CSet/2 which I upgraded from.

>...
>
>>>probably only would want to put out the money if you are a serious 
>>>developer.  I take that back, I'm not a "professional" programmer, and I
>>
>>;) So, it is irrelevant.  I paid for it several years and decided that it
>>was of no use.
>
>No use to a "professional" programmer, while it is of use to a 
>"hobbyist."  Very interesting statement, I'd say.  Well, this hobbyist 
>of 16 years still finds some gems in there.

Yeah, there was even another hobbyist who used beta TCPIP developers kit
on that thing and set out something to the world that would crash for
that reason.....that it was beta....You don't use beta for programming
products....And if you have a product that is not dependent on any of
the moving crap, then you don't need the beta's for bracing yourself
against the next release of bag of bugs called OS/2.

>
>It's all irrelevant anyhow, especially since it is in the .apps 
>newsgroup. You just don't get it, do you?  Take your advocacy bullshit 
>to the .advocacy group.

Actually, you are the one advocating OS/2....I am pointing out
realities...

>
>>>paid for it.  Then again, I did let the subscription lapse for a few 
>>>months.  After all, do I really need to update it _every_ quarter?  I 
>>>suppose I would if I were getting paid for it.  However, I still find it
>>
>>Good point.  It doesn't pay off since it is full of beta's.
>
>So, don't install the betas.  Or, is that too difficult for you?  I know
>it is hard to locate the TOOLKIT\BETA directory :)

And I said, there is no use to purchase it unless you need the beta's.

>
>>>a worthwhile investment.  I'm even getting into PM programming now, and 
>>>I'll probably have my first freeware PM program out in a couple of 
>>>months.
>>
>>;) I'll laught at you when you get the bug reports that don't happen on
>>your machine and when IBM asks you to pay $200 to talk to you.  :)  You
>>are asking for trouble, and you will probably get it too.
>
>I'm asking for trouble every time I type "make", "dmake" or any 
>variation thereof.  Hasn't killed me or my machine yet.

;) Good luck...

>
>John
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Best Regards,

Mustafa Soysal

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