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In article <c0.9w.2FWJlz$036@picard.cds-inc.com>,  <replyto> wrote:
>In <5h7kkq$69s@client3.news.psi.net>, os2@mistik.express.net (Mustafa Soysal MS57) writes:
>>>small office/home office market as well as the consumer market, but OS/2
>>>came from an organization that has always been devoted to developing
>>>products for the big corporate market.    Small businesses have little use
>>>for things like Communications Manager/2, or CICS/2, for example.   The
>>
>>You have no idea what small businesses have a use for.
>
>Uh, I think I do.  I'm a 50% partner in one small business, I associate
>with three other owners of small businesses, and I've worked for quite
>a few small businesses in the past.  I think it is you who has no
>idea what small businesses have a use for.  To be perfectly clear,
>I define a small business as one with 50 employees or less and less
>than $10 mil revenue per year.

And you still don't know what you can do with Communications Manager/2
or CICS for a small business?  I think you are the partner that doesn't
run the business or decides about these matters.

>
>>>SOHO/consumer efforts have always been a lower priority, looking at the
>>>history of OS/2.
>>
>>The history from a point between 2.1 and 3.0....They did fine with their
>>efforts during 2.0 and early 2.1.
>
>No, again you are in error.  OS/2 2.0 was clearly directed at the corporate

No, you are lying.

>market.  This I am 100% certain of; I worked as a contractor at an IBM

Maybe the internal news, that's not what have been presented to the
public with the ads etc, especially putting it into a competing position
with windows 3.1, chicago, etc.

>site at that time and was involved with OS/2 2.0 from the early,
>non-WPS betas (6.134 and up) through the betas of OS/2 2.1.  Guess what -
>it was directed towards IBM's traditional customer base.

Not according what was presented to the general public.

>
>>>I'm sorry your fax/data utility failed, but you can't blame the lack of demand for
>>>such a niche product on OS/2 as you have done in previous posts - I'd be surprised
>>
>>You have a reading comprehension problem.  I said IBM lied about the
>>number of OS/2 sales and witheld information that most of the sales went
>>to banks and insurances.  There were no more than about 10,000 real
>>buyers be it small businesses or home office users, yet IBM was claiming
>>1 mio sales at that time.  And I said, even today, there is no market of
>>1mio real buyers outside of IBM's "channel marketing", and writing
>>applications other than the bank or insurance market will see no market.
>>(Not even small business applications)
>
>Really?   Our application has easily sold more than 10k copies, and I'm

Duplicates in upgrades.  I have one here that I didn't even open after
Sytos worked fine.  Later IBM broke SYtos with fixpacks...and I started
using gtak GNU tar archiving which is compatible across platforms.

>pretty sure that other items have sold many times more than that.   PMMail
>comes to mind, as does Object Desktop, to name a few of the many excellent
>OS/2 packages currently available.

Let's see, 10K copies in 5 years?  Or is it 4 years?  And there are
supposedly 17 Mio installations?  You must be a lunetic to think there
are 1 Mio real users out there when you sold 10,000 copies in 4
years....You are proof that there is no OS/2 market and you think you
are a success too....

I would probably have used your software before I used BackupWiz which
was a disaster of support.  The author kept telling me that it works
there, so I sent it back and preferred a working program from a arge
company.  Yet, thank you for making an OS/2 program available, but if
you think there is a market, then good luck to you, and admittedly you
may have some edge with backup programs in the banking market especially
after IBM discontinuing their own backup programs for OS/2.

>
>>>if you sold many more copies of such a thing on any platform. You obviously 
>>>have an axe to grind with OS/2, and seem to go out of your way 
>>
>>You would have an axe to gring with IBM if they weren't able to bring
>>out a stable version that can run more than 24 hours stable (that's the
>>most stable it got, after dooming the system to do pretty much nothing
>>dropping another line of business).
>
>According to uptime, our central server (running OS/2), has been up for
>over 34 days.  Let's take a look at what is currently running on it :
>
>  OS/2 Warp Connect

Same.

>  File/Print services

No fileserver or print server other than the usual desktop prinbt spool
stuff.

>  Axis network printer software

None of that.

>  SQL Anywhere (SQL database server)

DB/2, seldom active for developement at this point.

>  Back Again/2 tape backup software

once in a while GNU gtak tar archiever, about weekly.

>  IBM Internet Connection Server (web server)

version 4.1.?

>  Changi (NNTP news server)

none of that .  trn newsreader instead which hooks up to an NNTP server
off site.

>  SMTP/POP3 e-mail server

sendmail.

>  PPP remote dial-in server

ppp to connect to the ISP, no server.

>
>Running for 34 days easily tops your claim of 24 hours.  And, looking at
>the log, the reason the system was last re-booted was because new software
>was installed.

36 hours is the most and that's when it starts showing symptoms of
screwups.  Daily reboot is policy.

>
>I think you inhaled this time, Mr. President. 

You sound like IBM tech support. (nobody else is having that problem it
must be your SIMMs (yet 2.11 was doing better, how come)  - when I
actually found several people who have reported the same problems and
gotten the same answers from IBM, and later checking the fixpack
histories, I find that there were related problems listed in the
history...).  We know who inhaled, and we will move on to another
platform keeping you from inhaling more of our money.

> 
>Cheers, 
>Brad
>

Best Regards,

Mustafa Soysal

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