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In article <W59LzgRDAUNI091yn@bigblue.no>, B. Vermo <bv@bigblue.no> wrote:
>In article <5ge4f5$lqg@info.cyf-kr.edu.pl>,
>Andrzej Eilmes <eilmes@gembon.ch.uj.edu.pl> wrote:
>|
>|For reliable programs you need reliable system, not OS/2!
>
>If you know as little about what you teach your students as you know
>about operating systems, I really pity their future employers.
>|
>|- is OS/2 stable?    NO!
>There are between 10 and 30 million heavy-duty users in big companies
>using OS/2. IBM do not give out the figures on corporate accounts, so we
>will never know exactly how many. But the vast majority of those systems
>run day out and day in without any major problems or mishaps. Maybe they

Hmmmm, then why did the OS/2 tech support warp connect system crash on
the rep when he was looking up problem reports?

>konow something you do not know, or maybe they are smart enough to get
>belp to set up something they are not trained in. Maybe they even take

Maybe he is smart enough to keep $100/per incident in his pocket, since
it would not make much difference.

>a course before they try to set up everything in a system they know
>nothing about. Or they may go as far as to make sure that the hardware
>they buy is suitable for the software they want to use on it. Whatever

Oh yeah, the hardware is the culprit, always....

>the reason, they seem to do a lot better than you. Either they are
>an incredibly lucky collection of super skilled ultra-geniouses, or
>ther may be the off chance that you do something wrong.

Or they suffer just as we do....besides, those corporations mostly turn
off their desktop PCs when the 8 hours end.

>Apply Occam's razor to find the best hypothesis.
> 
>|- is there local security with access rights?  NO!
>This means you did not care to install security on your systems, right?
>Or maybe you did not even find out what to install and how?

You mean we have to pay extra cost?  I find it interesting that IBM
seems to market to home users with no security for local users in place,
and then turns around and claims OS/2 is for large corporations only
after dropping from the small business market as well..

>
>|- are you able to compile and run large programs? NO!
>Sadly true, there seems to be a 512MB limit on user executables.
>And a full rebuild of applications with more than a million lines
>of code takes entirely too long, wether in c or COBOL. 

Hmmm, take that large database file of 4GB for exmple <G>.....

>|  I have to use UNIX machine: under OS/2 I can compile my FORTRAN
>|  program but IBM link386.exe cannot link it. Of course there's no 
>|  description of linker options. 
>Of course not. Or maybe you did not bother to install the Developer's Toolkit?

;) Tell us where to buy it <G>.....There is no seperate developer's
toolkit available these days, it comes with the compiler.  Besides, that
linker has problems, and each time I get a new compiler package, I have
to replace the linker with the one in the compiler package.  If the
paths get mixed up, you'll end up using the wrong linker...

> 
> The following list describes manuals available online that might be of 
> interest to users who develop applications for OS/2 Warp Version 4. 
> The OS/2 Warp Version 4 Online Technical Library provides both guidance 
> and reference information. 

Online where?  Internet or Warp4 installation?

>
> The library includes the following online books, which are located in 
> the \TOOLKIT\BOOK subdirectory. You can also access them from the 
> Desktop by opening the Toolkit folder and then the Toolkit Information 
> folder. (The titles in the list below reflect the associated book icon 
> names in the Toolkit Information folder.) 
>
>      ALP Programming Guide and Reference   
>      Bidirectional Language Programming Guide   
>      C Library Reference   
>      Control Program Programming Guide and Reference 
>      DMI Programmer's Guide   
>      DPI Programmer's Guide   
>      GPI Guide and Reference   
>      IBM OS/2 Server Family Programming Reference   
>      IPF Programming Guide and Reference   
>      Kernel Debugger Reference   
>      Multimedia Application Programming Guide   
>      Multimedia Programming Reference   
>      Multimedia Subsystem Programming Guide   
>      Object REXX Programming Guide for OS/2   
>      Open32 Programming Guide and Reference   
>      OpenDoc Programming Guide   
>      OpenDoc Programming Reference   
>      OpenDoc User Interface Guidelines   
>      OpenGL Programming Reference   
>      Open Scripting Architecture Guide and Reference 
>      PartMeister User's Guide   
>      Presentation Manager Programming Guide and Reference   
>      Problem Determination Guide and Reference   
>      RXSTRING.DOC   
>      SOM Programming Guide   
>      SOM Programming Reference   
>      TCP/IP Programming Reference   
>      Tools Reference   
>      Unicode Programming Reference   
>      Windows Sockets   
>      Workplace Shell Programming Guide   
>      Workplace Shell Programming Reference   
>  
>|  you will say this means "tons of tech support", I would say this
>|  is basic documentation
>|  of course this is only a example: the point is that for anything
>|   more complicated you need Unix
>Yes, to do things really complicated Unix has advantages. Development
>in OS/2 is just too simple. Unless you insist on doing it the hard
>way and without learning how to do it. It took me a whole day.
>
>|- is there OS/2 software (like editors) which can be replacement
>|  for Microsoft Office or Perfect Office?       NO!
>The funny thing is that I replaced the last MS stuff two years ago.
>But I only do such kid stuff as writing technical reports with diagrams,
>footnotes, endnotes, sidebars and formulas. And some project scheduling
>in CA-SuperProject. And a bit of newsletter publishing. And a little
>writing in Norwegian, English, German and French. And some computations 
>in REXX with 24 significant digits. And a multiuser database in AREV/2.
>And a DB2/2 database. And some software prototyping in CA-Realizer or
>Smalltalk. And some software development in VA C++ and VA COBOL. With
>some assembler routines using ALP. And some subprograms in PROLOG.
>And two different WWW servers for my intranet. And some fumbling
>tests to learn Java programming. So the only Microsoft program I
>occationally run is Freecell.
>
>The IBM Internet Connection Server Secure will handle outside connections
>in case it should be required. Unfortunately it has been developed in
>the US, so it is only available with 40 bit keys. Hopefully they will
>relocate development to some other, less restrictive country.
>

The ICS 4.1 has security flaws and lets outsider access the
administration pages without checking for authorization.  4.2 crashes on
my system....

Best Regards,

Mustafa Soysal

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