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On 30 Jan 1997 22:30:43 GMT, rolan@ibm.net (Randy Olan) wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I've been reading quite a few articles on 3D graphics
>cards lately and of course all the testing is done for
>Windows 95.  I'd like to know whether anyone have had
>any experience with using any 3D card with OS/2 Warp 4.0.
>
>I'm particularly interested in getting a S3 based card
>using the 3D Virge chip, mainly for the price.  I've
>heard the Matrox Millenium and Mystique have good OS/2
>drivers, but I haven't heard anything about S3 3D Virge
>based cards.
>
>Any information will be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>Randy
>

The Virge chip is the slowest of the 3 major chip sets: Virge,
rendition and voodoo.

Voodoo gives the best 3D performance but you need a 2D card in your
computer already and it is the most expensive.

Rendition cards (Screaming 3D, 3D Blaster, Intergraph Intense 3D and
Total 3D) have good 2D/3D performance and much faster than virge in
terms of 3D acceleration. I think you can get a rendition card under
$200.

I hope this helps.


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In <32f23339.1277271499@hplntx.hpl.hp.com>, kychen@hpl.hp.com (Kay-Yut Chen) writes:
>On 30 Jan 1997 22:30:43 GMT, rolan@ibm.net (Randy Olan) wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I've been reading quite a few articles on 3D graphics
>>cards lately and of course all the testing is done for
>>Windows 95.  I'd like to know whether anyone have had
>>any experience with using any 3D card with OS/2 Warp 4.0.
>>
>>I'm particularly interested in getting a S3 based card
>>using the 3D Virge chip, mainly for the price.  I've
>>heard the Matrox Millenium and Mystique have good OS/2
>>drivers, but I haven't heard anything about S3 3D Virge
>>based cards.
>>
>>Any information will be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Randy
>>
>
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I am using the Matrox Mystique with the MGA chipset. I works good and 
Matrox give you great driver support. Matrox is the most recomended brand
amongst OS2 users because of great support.

R.D.
Dos, Windoze, Fat, 1980's technology.
No Monopoly is strong enough to stop the power of OS2 Warp.
Warp is reincarnated, and is now IMMORTAL!

redonne@mhv.net wrote:
> 
> In <32f23339.1277271499@hplntx.hpl.hp.com>, kychen@hpl.hp.com (Kay-Yut Chen) writes:
> >On 30 Jan 1997 22:30:43 GMT, rolan@ibm.net (Randy Olan) wrote:
> >
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>I've been reading quite a few articles on 3D graphics
> >>cards lately and of course all the testing is done for
> >>Windows 95.  I'd like to know whether anyone have had
> >>any experience with using any 3D card with OS/2 Warp 4.0.
> >>
> >>I'm particularly interested in getting a S3 based card
> >>using the 3D Virge chip, mainly for the price.  I've
> >>heard the Matrox Millenium and Mystique have good OS/2
> >>drivers, but I haven't heard anything about S3 3D Virge
> >>based cards.
> >>
> >>Any information will be greatly appreciated.
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>Randy
> >>
> >
> =========
> 
> I am using the Matrox Mystique with the MGA chipset. I works good and
> Matrox give you great driver support. Matrox is the most recomended brand
> amongst OS2 users because of great support.
> 
> R.D.

If you're looking for a quantitative comparison of the current crop of 3D 
boards, just to find out what the hardware does and how they compare, 
Computer Gaming World did a comparison of several of them in their 
November issue. The comparison is online at this URL:

http://www.zdnet.com/gaming/content/961115/3dwave/3dcards.html

They came to the same conclusion as everyone else I've heard of who have 
made the comparison: The 3Dfx Voodoo is the hottest chip around.

(They also weren't that enthusiastic about the Mystique. Apparently it is 
seriously short in features which are coming to be considered standard like 
bilinear filtering [which prevents chunky-pixellation on texture maps when 
you get too close] and alpha blending [for transparency]. It also came up 
considerably slower than the other boards tested.)

The big problem with the Voodoo is that it was originally designed for use 
in arcade systems, and it doesn't play well with other display chips; if you 
use a board which has the Voodoo on it, you're either all the way in 3D mode 
or you're all the way out of it.

However, all is not lost. 3Dfx has released a new chip which is designed to 
work better with other graphics chips; it is known as the "Voodoo Rush". You 
can read about it at:

http://www.3Dfx.com/products/voodoo_rush.html

Hercules will be bringing out a board very soon which uses the Voodoo Rush, 
called the "Stingray 128". That's the one I've been waiting for.

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As I was wandering around the Hercules site just now, I spotted this URL:
http://www.hercules.com/support/drivers/term/t643d/
It has drivers for Warp for the "Terminator 3D" board.
The Terminator 3D board uses the S3 Virge. In CGW's tests, the Terminator 
came out middle-of-the-pack.


There are also drivers for the "Dynamite 128" at:
http://www.hercules.com/support/drivers/dynamite/dyn128/default.htm
These drivers are labelled as being optimized for Warp 4.

Randy Olan <rolan@ibm.net> wrote in article
<5cr7ej$dir@mblisd.macquarie.com.au>...
> Hi,
> 
> I've been reading quite a few articles on 3D graphics
> cards lately and of course all the testing is done for
> Windows 95.  I'd like to know whether anyone have had
> any experience with using any 3D card with OS/2 Warp 4.0.
> 
> I'm particularly interested in getting a S3 based card
> using the 3D Virge chip, mainly for the price.  I've
> heard the Matrox Millenium and Mystique have good OS/2
> drivers, but I haven't heard anything about S3 3D Virge
> based cards.

OS/2 has absolute no support for 3D hardware.  I guess this would make OS/2
too "kitchen toppie like".  

Definitely stay clear of any Rendition based boards -- it's not that the
chips is
bad, it's just that there are no OS/2 drivers available for them, and
Rendition
isn't going to make any (Before the 'OS/2 lemmings' fire off on this,
crying out
that this is obviously part of the Microsoft-conspiracy, please take an 
economics course at your local community college first.  Thank you.)

S3 has among the best OS/2 support there is.  There are ViRGE drivers
available
(although they are only for the 2D aspect -- OpenGL support would be a
waste
of time being S3's 3D support isn't all that great) from www.s3.com.  The
Matrox
boards' 3D acceleration is not even worth mentioning.

If you want good 3D and like the board you have now, get a VooDoo based
board.
It works beside your current video board, and delivers the best
performance. 

Before buying a 3D board, however, you should note that more and more of
the
new 3D games are Win95 native (GLQuake for example) and of the DOS
accelerated games, few work under OS/2.  OS/2 simply is not a viable
platform
for games anymore (Like it ever was, but it's gotten beyond tolerable) 
IMO, you
should factor in the cost of Windows95 (for use with Boot Manager...OS/2 is
still
good for office related things) into your new 3D card, if you don't all
ready own
it that is.  

-Dave

Hi everyone

One of my friends has bought a S3 Virge but he hasn't been able to find
any drivers for OS/2 Warp 4.0 that works.

Now he's running OS/2 in 640x480x16, because if he install the drivers the icons
disappear.

However I'm using a Matrox Mystique, and it's running just fine.
It's the best gfx-card available.

Greetings
Bjoern

can anyone tell me where I can buy an ELSA Victory 3D card in Melbourne?
Any idea of the price?

-- 
Regards

Michael Block

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  
        I AM BILL GATES OF BORG        
        STANDARDISATION IS IRRELEVANT
        USABILITY IS IRRELEVANT
        CHOICE IS IRRELEVANT
        PREPARE TO BE ASSIMILATED
        WE ARE MICROSOFT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
resistance is not useless, join the Warp alternative, think for
yourself!
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In <33019799.6334@ibm.net>, Michael Block <mblock@ibm.net> writes:
>can anyone tell me where I can buy an ELSA Victory 3D card in Melbourne?
>Any idea of the price?
>
>-- 
>Regards
>
>Michael Block
>
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  
>        I AM BILL GATES OF BORG        
>        STANDARDISATION IS IRRELEVANT
>        USABILITY IS IRRELEVANT
>        CHOICE IS IRRELEVANT
>        PREPARE TO BE ASSIMILATED
>        WE ARE MICROSOFT
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>resistance is not useless, join the Warp alternative, think for
>yourself!
>http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/2265/index.htm

I gave up and got a Matrox.  Don't think they ship to Oz.
(Even emailed Elsa US for no response.)

Greg