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In article <34841112$6$qnivqjrv$mr2ice@news.mdi.ca>, nospam@mdi.ca 
says...
> 
> In <MPG.eedfeb0fe85607b989688@troll.apana.org.au>, on 12/02/97 
>    at 11:17 AM, terry@gargoyle.apana.org.au (Terry ) said:
> 
> >> I think Patrick is just firing another shot at David McCoy's already
> >> unstable poition...
> >> 
> >> BECAUSE OSR2 CANNOT BE DOWNLOADED, YOU WILL NEED TO BUY A COMPUTER TO
> >> LEGALLY GET IT!... So much for "You can download the patches just like you
> >> can for OS/2."...
> >> 
> >> Go away McCoy, you side steps the main question, and kept spreading lies and
> >> FUDs around...
> 
> >According to my latest pricing list it has....
> >Windows 95 + MS PLUS! + MS Press CD (OEM)
> >Windows 95 + MS Press CD (OEM)
> 
> OEM software usually (if not always) require you to purchase a machine in
> order to get it... And what good does your pricing list do? It does not say
> it is R1 or R2...

It is always the latest version, the dealer ensures that.

> >Now where is OS/2 on this list??
> 
> Big deal, I'm not in your area, and I don't buy software from the stores...
> Three reasons.
> #1: Dumbass salesman.
> #2: Stupid price and markup.
> #3: Dumbass faux-technician.

Did I ever say I bought my gear from a store?? Yeah right, half the time 
I don't even pay wholesale prices. And yes, I know I am from Australia, 
and you might have it different over there.
 
> >it isn't there. Once again, I am going 
> >to say that this isn't an advocation for 95. I am just getting sick of 
> >flames about this, I AM TRYING TO SUPPORT OS/2, I AM TRYING TO GET MY 
> >FACTS RIGHT, and all you people continue to do is flame me. No wonder  OS/2
> >isn't the contolling operating system as it should have been, with  it's
> >users just continuing to argue about nothing all the time.
> 
> What facts are YOU trying to correct? All I'm saying is that M$ don't allow
> you to upgrade to W95 OSR2 without having to purchase a machine to go with
> it... If you can not look into an mail order or online catalog to find OS/2
> software, and just sit there and wait... You'd only have yourself to blame.

MS do allow you to upgrade (if they didn't why can I freely purchase the 
product), and in regards to a mail order online catalog.I thought we are 
supposed to promoting OS/2 for new users as well as old. So...
A) How is a new user going to get on the web with no machine and lack of 
web experience and get a copy of OS/2??
B) Without going on the net how is a new user expected to know of OS/2??
C) How are you going to justify to a new (or old) user that they have to 
wait 3-4 weeks (minimum) delivery to get the product when the competing 
product (Win95) is sitting on the store shelf in front of them??
 
> >> ===Proud Member of Team OS/2, Team OS/2 at Taiwan, ICENews Beta Tester===
 
> >What is Team OS/2???

> It meant just that. Team OS/2.

> >I mean I put my name down about 2 years ago on the 
> >Team OS/2 web site

> The site was down due to a hacker attacking the ISP, someone else had picked
> up and started to rebuilt the Team OS/2 web site from the ground up.

> >but what do you guys actually do,

> Promote and Support OS/2, PERIOD.

There has not been much promoting in this discussion, more like a lot of 
flaming due to people comparing OS/2 with Win95, are you guys too scared 
that maybe Win95 is a decent product that does have a strong market 
hold?? And before you reply, remember that there is currently a group of 
programmers trying to alter the dll's (and others) so that Win95 products 
can run under OS/2. Why would you do this if OS/2 products are just as 
good or better??

> >I mean reading a  lot
> >of the posts in this lists you kinda support the product, but the  greater
> >of the posts is bagging 95, wouldn't having 100% support of OS/2  and
> >little bagging of 95 be more beneficial don't you think.

> Go ahead and count the ratio... Either you are pull this out of thin air or
> your news server is filtering out all the OS/2 posts.

You are righting in saying I don't read "every" post end to end, but I 
don't believe you do either, either that you have no life outside of your 
continual shouting "OS/2 IS GREAT, FEEL THE POWER!!!!".

> >Anyway, that  is
> >just my 2c, take it or leave it.

> Personally, I'd throw it back in your face. You tried to attack me with this
> message, while sidestepping the main problem in my message... I guess my
> last message hurt your M$ sponsors... Muhahahaha...

I didn't attack you, it was a general comment on how badly Team OS/2 
seems to be operating, I mean why are you only supporting current OS/2 
users, wouldn't trying to promote OS/2 to new users be just as beneficial 
if not more.
....and where did you get the idea I was promoting Win95, or for that 
matter have MS sponsors. Amazingly this whole discussion started due to 
my posting about when Warp 5 would be coming out, and if it was possible 
to run 95 products over a network to OS/2. Once again, you guys are 
making it so OS/2 can run 95 products, so once again, you are advocating 
that 95 products are better.

> >Personally I will continue to support 
> >OS/2 (with no support from here) and continue to support 95 just as I 
> >always have.

> Go ahead and check Fidonet OS/2 and OS/2 Hardware echo, and check several
> OS/2 mailing list and news groups... *I* and MANY other OS/2 users have been
> actively promoting OS/2 AND support any users who might have a technical
> question/problem need to be sloved.

Good for you, now as soon as OS/2 appears on the store shelf next to 
Win95 I know you have promoted it. And I don't doubt you provide 
technical support, but that is for current users, where are the new 
users??

> IMHO, you are either pretty dang new to this area, or you just can't read
> all the OS/2 support and help messages.

Yeah, it has been a while since I have come into a OS/2 newsgroup, wonder 
why I did know though, considering I was trying to get back into OS/2, 
and so far all I have been to do is told to shut up and let the big guys 
(like you seem to thing you are) answer and everything and play god.
 
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