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100% correct!!!!
This has been bothering me almost every time I want to drag something :-)
No, seriously, this is an illogical UI.
PSE FIX IT...Thanks.

In article <81678@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt1610c@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael Kenneth McGaugh) writes:
>Hey all.
>
>There is one aspect of the WPS that I really feel is
>counter productive.  I would like to hear some opinions
>from others in the net about this idea.
>
>I feel that when an icon is selected with mouse button 2
>with the intent of dragging it (moving, copying, shadowing,
>or drag-n-dropping), the folder which contains that object
>should NOT become the foreground window.  I has become very
>frustrating to find the object you are looking for, and when
>you go to drag it to another folder, its folder comes to the
>foreground and covers up the intended destination for your
>object.
>
>If I remember correctly, the 6.304 beta of OS/2 2.0 last
>spring had this exact feature in it.  I do not know how much
>code would have to be rewritten to change this, but I would
>like to pursue this matter with IBM.  Does anyone know who or
>where to contact about such a feature change?  I doubt they
>will take it as a bug report.
>
>Ken.
>-- 
>M. Ken McGaugh
>Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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gt1610c@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael Kenneth McGaugh) writes:

>There is one aspect of the WPS that I really feel is
>counter productive.  I would like to hear some opinions
>from others in the net about this idea.

I would like to get a whole discussion of things to change or add to OS/2
going...

>I feel that when an icon is selected with mouse button 2
>with the intent of dragging it (moving, copying, shadowing,
>or drag-n-dropping), the folder which contains that object
>should NOT become the foreground window.  I has become very
>frustrating to find the object you are looking for, and when
>you go to drag it to another folder, its folder comes to the
>foreground and covers up the intended destination for your
>object.

I have exactly the same problem.

>If I remember correctly, the 6.304 beta of OS/2 2.0 last
>spring had this exact feature in it.  I do not know how much
>code would have to be rewritten to change this, but I would
>like to pursue this matter with IBM.  Does anyone know who or
>where to contact about such a feature change?  I doubt they
>will take it as a bug report.

>Ken.
>Internet: gt1610c@prism.gatech.edu

I agree that it would be a good feature.  A more general version of that
feature would be that bringing a window into focus doesn't necessarily
bring it to the foreground (like X-windows).

In general, I would really like to see an organized way for users to make
suggestions about OS/2 to IBM and possibly get some sort of IBM feedback
on it (though this is asking alot): basically a "suggestion box".

Now if only there were a suggestion box to send this idea to...

                                             --Ethan Gershon
                                             gershon@husc.harvard.edu

Almost 100% correct!!!
This problem of windows coming to the forground when you drag an icon is part
of a larger problem or WPS Option prefably.  A window should be able to take
the focus without coming to the foreground.  The window focus should be 
able to be different from the foreground window.  I think this would be a
wonderful option for the workplace shell, and it would fix this problem of
draging icons around.


In article <1993Jan26.011516.13108@news.columbia.edu> mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir I Green) writes:
>100% correct!!!!
>This has been bothering me almost every time I want to drag something :-)
>No, seriously, this is an illogical UI.
>PSE FIX IT...Thanks.
>
>In article <81678@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt1610c@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael Kenneth McGaugh) writes:
>>Hey all.
>>
>>There is one aspect of the WPS that I really feel is
>>counter productive.  I would like to hear some opinions
>>from others in the net about this idea.
>>
>>I feel that when an icon is selected with mouse button 2
>>with the intent of dragging it (moving, copying, shadowing,
>>or drag-n-dropping), the folder which contains that object
>>should NOT become the foreground window.  I has become very
>>frustrating to find the object you are looking for, and when
>>you go to drag it to another folder, its folder comes to the
>>foreground and covers up the intended destination for your
>>object.
>>
>>If I remember correctly, the 6.304 beta of OS/2 2.0 last
>>spring had this exact feature in it.  I do not know how much
>>code would have to be rewritten to change this, but I would
>>like to pursue this matter with IBM.  Does anyone know who or
>>where to contact about such a feature change?  I doubt they
>>will take it as a bug report.
>>
>>Ken.
>>-- 
>>M. Ken McGaugh
>>Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
>>uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt1610c
>>Internet: gt1610c@prism.gatech.edu
>
>
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In article <gershon.728026826@husc.harvard.edu> gershon@husc11.harvard.edu (Ethan Gershon) writes:
>I agree that it would be a good feature.  A more general version of that
>feature would be that bringing a window into focus doesn't necessarily
>bring it to the foreground (like X-windows).

And easy to do.  An application can make a window active and
underneath other windows.  Using the WinSetWindowPos command, you can
position a window anywhere in the "stack" of windows you want and
either activate or deactivate it.  I discovered this when my first
version of MineSweeper were coming up focussed but underneath
everything until I forced it to the surface.

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In article <1993Jan26.163319.22622@novell.com> lkawecki@novell.com (Lewis Kawecki) writes:
>
>Almost 100% correct!!!
>This problem of windows coming to the forground when you drag an icon is part
>of a larger problem or WPS Option prefably.  A window should be able to take
>the focus without coming to the foreground.  The window focus should be 
>able to be different from the foreground window.  I think this would be a
>wonderful option for the workplace shell, and it would fix this problem of
>draging icons around.
>
>

Another problem with WPS is the ability to move and resize windows.
I would like to drag a window by grabbing any part of the border and 
moving it around. I don't want this to resize the window. That way I 
could grab the bottom border and move the window off the top of the
screen and out of the way. When I want it back, I just grab the little
piece of the border and pull it down. 

The windows should have resize corners for size changes. When I resize
a window I would like to make it any size that I want and let the font 
scale. 

Actually what I want is a combination of OpenLook and DeskView X.

Dennis

In article <1993Jan26.163319.22622@novell.com> lkawecki@novell.com (Lewis Kawecki) writes:
>A window should be able to take
>the focus without coming to the foreground.  The window focus should be 
>able to be different from the foreground window.

This is already the case.  The WM_SETFOCUS message doesn't
automatically bring a window to the top.  This is simply part of some
message's default processing.  Either a WM_BUTTON1DOWN in the title
bar or the WM_SETFOCUS message's default processing.  If you handle
this message yourself and don't give it to the system, your app can
exhibit these properties as well.

If you bring yourself to the top (with a WinSetWindowPos call), you
don't automatically get focus, and if you give yourself focus (also
with WinSetWindowPos, with different parameters), you don't
automatically get sent to the top.

So, OS/2 is well equipped to handle what you ask.  The default
handlers only need minor changes.  These might even be corrected with
a message queue hook by an application program.
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In article <93028.130152ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET> ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET writes:
>>In general, I would really like to see an organized way for users to make
>>suggestions about OS/2 to IBM and possibly get some sort of IBM feedback
>>on it (though this is asking alot): basically a "suggestion box".
>I absolutely second that. There are dozens of suggestions at least worth
>beeing discussed in the OS/2 development labs here on Internet. And while
>we can't expect the OS/2 developers to read netnews all day long it would
>benefit both the users and IBM if they had such a suggestion box.
>Even if it was by snail mail.
>Perhaps if Mr. Sipples is reading this he could push this suggestion to IBM ?

The newsgroup comp.os.os2.beta is in RFD (Request for Discussion)
right now, along with a couple other newsgroups (comp.os.os2.announce
and comp.os.os2.ver1x).  There will be three others going into RFD in
about a month.  Watch for the Call for Votes: it is important that you
vote YES if you want these newsgroups to be created.  (Don't mail me;
wait for the CFV post, and follow the instructions you see there.)

The .beta newsgroup is intended to be a forum to discuss not only the
beta(s), but also suggestions for future releases of OS/2 (especially
when a beta is not the active topic of discussion).  The .announce
newsgroup will hopefully handle the other end.  It will be moderated,
and I expect some of the traffic will include APARs (problems slated
to be fixed).  (IBM has included a full list of OS/2 APARs on
CompuServe now; I hope to get it over to ftp-os2.nmsu.edu in the next
week or two.)

IBM has reopened the bug reporting (for released OS/2 versions)
through the CompuServe address.  The problem report form is filename
os2prob.txt, available via anonymous ftp from ftp-os2.nmsu.edu (check
file /pub/os2/00Index for location).

IBM Toronto has several netmail addresses for reporting problems and
offering suggestions on C Set/2, Workframe/2, and the other OS/2
development tools.  See the OS/2 Frequently Asked Questions List:
Programmer's Edition for further information.

Note that the OS/2 newsgroups are carried over IBM's internal network,
and they are monitored by IBM.

I'm working on a few other ideas.  Hopefully I'll have something more
to report in the near future.

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