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In article <unruh.727982140@unixg.ubc.ca> unruh@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Unruh) writes:
>Is it possible to set OS2 up so that the focus moves with the mouse, rather
>than the focus transfereing with a mouse click on the window (I know in
>X it is an option). Also that foreground background is not tied to the focus
>ie to transfer to foreground you have to click on the boarder rather than just 
>anywhere. At present focus and foreground are tied together, and that is not 
>always convenient.
>Bill Unruh
>unruh@physics.ubc.ca

To answer your first question, you can get the 'xfeel' util from 
ftp-os2.nmsu.edu.  This causes focus (and foreground) to follow the
mouse.

As for separating forground and focus, I don't know.
Would it be possible to have a named pipe for the input to a program,
and then have an xfeel like program send all keyboard input to the
window which has the mouse pointer over it?

Ken.

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In article <unruh.727982140@unixg.ubc.ca> unruh@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Unruh) writes:
>Is it possible to set OS2 up so that the focus moves with the mouse, rather
>than the focus transfereing with a mouse click on the window (I know in
>X it is an option). Also tht foreground background is not tied to the focus
>ie to transfer to foreground you have to click  on the boarder ratehr than just 
>anywhere. At present focus and foreground are tied together, and that is not 
>always convenient.

Try getting the file xfeel.zip, available via anonymous ftp from
ftp-os2.nmsu.edu (check file /pub/os2/00Index for location).  This
utility will give you the focus follows mouse behavior.

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Even better (I hope the author of xfeel is listening!) how about click fore/
background as an option.  Configurable for which mouse button does what, this
would be a good workaround for the UI problem where WPS dragging causes the
window of the dragged object to come to foreground.  If one could click the
left or middle (wishful thinking :-( ) button while dragging with right, and
have the window move back to the background, this would make a good workaround.

Whew!
Meir

In article <81774@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt1610c@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael Kenneth McGaugh) writes:
>In article <unruh.727982140@unixg.ubc.ca> unruh@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Unruh) writes:
>>Is it possible to set OS2 up so that the focus moves with the mouse, rather
>>than the focus transfereing with a mouse click on the window (I know in
>>X it is an option). Also that foreground background is not tied to the focus
>>ie to transfer to foreground you have to click on the boarder rather than just 
>>anywhere. At present focus and foreground are tied together, and that is not 
>>always convenient.
>>Bill Unruh
>>unruh@physics.ubc.ca
>
>To answer your first question, you can get the 'xfeel' util from 
>ftp-os2.nmsu.edu.  This causes focus (and foreground) to follow the
>mouse.
>
>As for separating forground and focus, I don't know.
>Would it be possible to have a named pipe for the input to a program,
>and then have an xfeel like program send all keyboard input to the
>window which has the mouse pointer over it?
>
>Ken.
>
>-- 
>M. Ken McGaugh
>Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
>uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt1610c
>Internet: gt1610c@prism.gatech.edu


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In article <1993Jan25.222717.20871@midway.uchicago.edu> sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples) writes:
>>In article <unruh.727982140@unixg.ubc.ca> unruh@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Unruh) writes:
>>Is it possible to set OS2 up so that the focus moves with the mouse, rather

>Try getting the file xfeel.zip, available via anonymous ftp from

But ... although this allows focus to follow the mouse, it still
requires that the window with focus be on top.  What I (and I think
Mr. Unruh) would like is the ability to have the window with focus
remain beneath other windows.

I know OS/2 can do this to some extent ... if I put TE/2 or QPRO/DOS
partially under another window, and there's data coming in, it can
deal quite happily with being partially obscured.

Motif, as an X window manager, allows you to choose either
click-to-focus, follow-mouse-focus, or
follow-mouse-and-bring-to-top-focus.  PM behaves as the first, 'xfeel'
behaves as the last; I would like a way to do the middle.  If IBM
could build this option into PM, it would be great.  If someone could
implement it as an add-on, however, I'd still be happy.

						Michael
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sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples) writes:

>Try getting the file xfeel.zip, available via anonymous ftp from
>ftp-os2.nmsu.edu (check file /pub/os2/00Index for location).  This
>utility will give you the focus follows mouse behavior.

Apparently it also has the foreground follows mouse behaviour ( ie, it
seems that in OS2 foreground and focus are tied together) If so tht
behaviour would be even more intollerable than at present-to have
windows popping to the forground all the time as my mouse happened to go
over them would make me seasick, and would make planning whee to  go
with the mouse difficult. 
Can OS2 seperate focus and foreground? That is what I would want!

In article <1993Jan25.222717.20871@midway.uchicago.edu> sip1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <unruh.727982140@unixg.ubc.ca> unruh@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Unruh) writes:
>>Is it possible to set OS2 up so that the focus moves with the mouse, rather
>>than the focus transfereing with a mouse click on the window (I know in
>>X it is an option). Also tht foreground background is not tied to the focus
>>ie to transfer to foreground you have to click  on the boarder ratehr than just 
>>anywhere. At present focus and foreground are tied together, and that is not 
>>always convenient.
>
>Try getting the file xfeel.zip, available via anonymous ftp from
>ftp-os2.nmsu.edu (check file /pub/os2/00Index for location).  This
>utility will give you the focus follows mouse behavior.
>
Unfortuantely xfeel ties foreground to the focus (but I still have xfeel
installed in my startup folder).

I would like to make a request about xfeel.  Who is the author of the
program?  I remember a post from him a while back but alas I didn't
save it.  I have many suggestions and bug reports I would like to
give to him.

Has anyone suggested to IBM to have more than one choice of window
manager?  (Who can I suggest it to -- preferably in Canada?)

Jeff Bryer


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In article <1k3tmeINNkdt@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> unruh@physics.ubc.ca (William Unruh) writes:
>Can OS2 seperate focus and foreground? That is what I would want!

Yes.  An application can choose not to let the system handle all the
default processing for the relevant messages and this effect can be
produced for individual apps.  To affect the entire system, the
default handlers (part of PM) would have to be altered, but it isn't a
major change, as far as I can tell.


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In article <1993Jan25.222717.20871@midway.uchicago.edu> sip1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <unruh.727982140@unixg.ubc.ca> unruh@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Unruh) writes:
>>Is it possible to set OS2 up so that the focus moves with the mouse, rather
>>than the focus transfereing with a mouse click on the window (I know in
>>X it is an option). Also tht foreground background is not tied to the focus
>>ie to transfer to foreground you have to click  on the boarder ratehr than just 
>>anywhere. At present focus and foreground are tied together, and that is not 
>>always convenient.
>
>Try getting the file xfeel.zip, available via anonymous ftp from
>ftp-os2.nmsu.edu (check file /pub/os2/00Index for location).  This
>utility will give you the focus follows mouse behavior.

While xfeel does make the focus move with the mouse, it is not what many
people, including me, are asking for.  With xfeel, the focus moves with
the mouse *and* the window rises to the top of the stack.  What I would
prefer is a way to have the focus move with the mouse, but not rise to the
top.  This way you can type in a window which is partially obscured by another
window.

Why would you want to do that?  Well, because there is something in
another window that you would like to see while typing, and you don't
have a gigapixel display.  Or maybe your display is slow, and you really
don't wan't to watch the screen redraw everytime you move between
windows.

This seems to be one of those features that everyone thinks is useless
until they actually use it for a while, then they can't stand being
without it.  Very analagous to all the "Who needs multitasking?"
arguments.

I think IBM should incorporate this feature.  If they don't, MS will
probably put it in NT and act like they invented it.

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On 27 Jan 93 23:56:40 GMT, sstrazdu@vulcan.intel.com (Stephen Strazdus) said:
S> This seems to be one of those features that everyone thinks is useless
S> until they actually use it for a while, then they can't stand being
S> without it.  Very analagous to all the "Who needs multitasking?"
S> arguments.

S> I think IBM should incorporate this feature.  If they don't, MS will
S> probably put it in NT and act like they invented it.

YES,YES,YES!!!
I have been asking for this for a while.  This is one of those
discussion that  appear on the net every couple of months.  If it
appears that often, you would think somebody would do something about
it.
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In <1k77foINNrr4@chnews.intel.com> sstrazdu@vulcan.intel.com (Stephen Strazdus) writes:
]people, including me, are asking for.  With xfeel, the focus moves with
]the mouse *and* the window rises to the top of the stack.  What I would
]prefer is a way to have the focus move with the mouse, but not rise to the
]top.  This way you can type in a window which is partially obscured by another
]window.
...
]I think IBM should incorporate this feature.  If they don't, MS will
]probably put it in NT and act like they invented it.

Well hardly invented- It's standard on Sunview, the old Sun windowing 
system
Does anybody know, can the "foreground" be seperated from the "focus"
under OS2 WPS or are they linked in the guts of OS2?