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In <wjevpujjnpbz.f1vmge1.pminews@news.wwa.com>, "James W. Richards" <jwrichDELTHIS@wwa.com> writes:
>I just this e-mail received from IBM today.  I am really sick about it.  What
>the hell
>is IBM thinking with this move into spamming.  Is this their definition
>of e-commerce?  It looks like they are more screwed up than I
>could possibly imagine.  This just is just about the final straw in
>my thinking about staying with IBM products like OS/2. 

     I would say that the message in question has a forged header to make it 
look like it came from an IBM domain.  The ad you displayed isn't an IBM ad - 
the phone number given isn't even owned or controlled by IBM.

     Get used to it.  Spammers lie about who they are all the time.  Nobody 
particularily likes it, but it's hard to combat someone who hides behind false
addresses.

Brad BARCLAY

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How is this making IBM a spam sponsor????


>I just this e-mail received from IBM today.  I am really sick about it.  What
>the hell
>is IBM thinking with this move into spamming.  Is this their definition
>of e-commerce?  It looks like they are more screwed up than I
>could possibly imagine.  This just is just about the final straw in
>my thinking about staying with IBM products like OS/2. 
>
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>
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>business is a
>success or not?  ADVERTISING!  Effective conventional advertising is quite
>expensive.  So
>what do you do?  Direct email is one of, if not thee most effective method of
>advertising in 
>the 90's.  You can get your ad out to hundreds of thousands, even millions,
>for only a fraction of 
>the cost of traditional advertising.  The wave of future advertising is here,
>don't miss it.  We
>will send your advert for you.  We have gone through painstaking methods to
>insure that we
>have the the most quality lists on the Internet.  We send your ad for your,
>all you have to do
>is create it.
>
>
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James W. Richards wrote in message ...
>I just this e-mail received from IBM today.  I am really sick about it.
What
>the hell
>is IBM thinking with this move into spamming.  Is this their definition
>of e-commerce?  It looks like they are more screwed up than I
>could possibly imagine.  This just is just about the final straw in
>my thinking about staying with IBM products like OS/2.

There's really only one solution.  Everyone reading this post send me $1.
If you do this, you can get rich quick and improve your sexual performance
at the same time.

:)

Brad

Brad BARCLAY wrote:
> 
>      I would say that the message in question has a forged header to make it
> look like it came from an IBM domain.  

Gee, you don't think someone would alter a document
so it was obviously inaccurate and appear to be from
IBM, do you?

>      Get used to it.  Spammers lie about who they are all the time.  Nobody
> particularily likes it, but it's hard to combat someone who hides behind false
> addresses.

And then there are those who publish those inaccurate
documents so often they take on a life of their own
and are soon quoted and believed as truthful.  But
that's crazy, isn't it?  It could NEVER happen in the
OS/2 community.
-- 
Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City Web Site
http://come.to/warpcity (ICQ: 15246857)
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Jason Bowen wrote:
> 
> You take a post about spam and try to twist it to your LITTLE war of
> persecution.  YOU ARE OBSESSED, SEEK HELP.

Jason please.  You talk about obsessed?  You live in these
newsgroups and you don't even USE OS/2!  LOL!
-- 
Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City Web Site
http://come.to/warpcity (ICQ: 15246857)
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In <363F344B.2AFE@WarpCity.com>, Tim Martin <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> writes:
>Gee, you don't think someone would alter a document
>so it was obviously inaccurate and appear to be from
>IBM, do you?

     Could happen, but if you have an allegation here, I'd like for you to 
prove it.

     The piece of spam in question wasn't from IBM, and this is readily 
verifiable.  Call up the phone number listed in the spam, or verify the number
with directory assistance.  I did, so I have some proof.

     You, however, live in a world of hyperbolie, where proof and truth is 
meaningless.  If you have some proof that someone has fabricated something as 
being from IBM outside of the spam in question, then I invite you to bring it 
forward.

     Thought not.

Brad BARCLAY

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In <71om7o$m2c$1@denws02.mw.mediaone.net>, "Brad Wardell" <bwardell@mw.mediaone.net> writes:
>There's really only one solution.  Everyone reading this post send me $1.
>If you do this, you can get rich quick and improve your sexual performance
>at the same time.
>
>:)

     Hmmm - I hear that sending money to people named "Brad" also helps cure 
insomnia, reduces hairloss, and helps trim flabby buttox and thighs.

     Is this true?

:)

Brad (BARCLAY)

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You take a post about spam and try to twist it to your LITTLE war of
persecution.  YOU ARE OBSESSED, SEEK HELP.

In <wjevpujjnpbz.f1vmge1.pminews@news.wwa.com>, "James W. Richards" <jwrichDELTHIS@wwa.com> writes:
>I just this e-mail received from IBM today.  I am really sick about it.  What
>the hell
>is IBM thinking with this move into spamming.  Is this their definition
>of e-commerce?  It looks like they are more screwed up than I
>could possibly imagine.  This just is just about the final straw in
>my thinking about staying with IBM products like OS/2. 
>
So, where are the headers?  Without them, it's impossible to determine
where the e-mail originated (other than the indirect methods used
by other posters).  Why not post the complete headers (most e-mail
programs will show them as an option) and let someone read them 
and then you can send a report to their provider and maybe get them
canned.  For help with this, post in news.admin.net-abuse.email or
post the headers here and I or someone else will help.  It's not
all that hard to track down the poster if they didn't relay-rape
an open server.

Just my 2 cents,

Kevin

In article <363fecfd.0@nemo.idirect.com>,
Brad BARCLAY <yaztromo@idirect.com> wrote:
=>In <71om7o$m2c$1@denws02.mw.mediaone.net>, "Brad Wardell" <bwardell@mw.mediaone.net> writes:
=>>There's really only one solution.  Everyone reading this post send me $1.
=>>If you do this, you can get rich quick and improve your sexual performance
=>>at the same time.
=>>
=>>:)
=>
=>     Hmmm - I hear that sending money to people named "Brad" also helps cure 
=>insomnia, reduces hairloss, and helps trim flabby buttox and thighs.
=>
=>     Is this true?
=>
=>:)
=>
I don't know about the hairloss, but sending money to Brad can actually
increase the others due to spending long hours into the wee parts of the
morning with your butt in a chair playing GalCiv or Entrepreneur or .... ;-)

-- 
Lee W. Riemenschneider                  PURDUE alumnus and die-hard FAN!
Software Engineer                       OS/2 user and supporter
"[W]ithout something to pollute Java more to Windows -- more cool  features that are only in Windows -- we expose ourselves to more portable code on other platforms" - a senior Microsoft vice president.
"[B]ill is really pissed about this Java stuff, doesn't respond to my e-mail, and that one review meeting we had he just jumped all over me, accusing me of trying to destroy Windows. He was amazingly, unnecessarily rude to me" - Ben Slivka, the head of Microsoft's Java development team.

In article <wjevpujjnpbz.f1vmge1.pminews@news.wwa.com>,
  "James W. Richards" <jwrichDELTHIS@wwa.com> wrote:
> I just this e-mail received from IBM today.  I am really sick about it.  What
> the hell
> is IBM thinking with this move into spamming.  Is this their definition
> of e-commerce?  It looks like they are more screwed up than I
> could possibly imagine.  This just is just about the final straw in
> my thinking about staying with IBM products like OS/2.

It is hard to believe that there are people as naive as James around! Of
COURSE this did not come from IBM! How could anyone with any knowledge
whatsoever of how the internet works possibly think this for a moment.
Well I guess that's the trouble, there are a lot of people on the net
at this stage who haven't a clue!

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Post full headers so we can tell you where it really came from.

--Tim Smith

Read the charter Tim, read the charter.  I don't live here like you.  One
of the sadder things is to read the groups every few days and to see that
some people have timestamps on articles that go from early morning to late
at night, that is just sick.

In article <363F559E.2BAE@WarpCity.com>,
Tim Martin  <OS2Guy@WarpCity.com> wrote:
>Jason Bowen wrote:
>> 
>> You take a post about spam and try to twist it to your LITTLE war of
>> persecution.  YOU ARE OBSESSED, SEEK HELP.
>
>Jason please.  You talk about obsessed?  You live in these
>newsgroups and you don't even USE OS/2!  LOL!
>-- 
>Tim Martin
>The OS/2 Guy
>Warp City Web Site
>http://come.to/warpcity (ICQ: 15246857)
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Jason Bowen wrote:
> 
> Read the charter Tim, read the charter.  I don't live here like you.  One
> of the sadder things is to read the groups every few days and to see that
> some people have timestamps on articles that go from early morning to late
> at night, that is just sick.

I have an excuse, a reason and a purpose:  I get paid to do it.

It is my job.  I seek out and provide OS/2 news and information
to thousands of OS/2 users.  You, on the other hand, do none 
of those things.  You don't even use OS/2.  
-- 
Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City Web Site
http://come.to/warpcity (ICQ: 15246857)
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