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Article #67Re: New Epson flatbed scanner...
From: Djon
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:16
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:16
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"Djon's basic premise was that the amount of grain in a scan is a function of "skill" which is wrong. Grain is a function (an intrinsic part) of film image and reducing grain means reducing image data." No, that intentionally twisted what I said. Film grain is itself a function substantially of skill, with or without a scan. Scan results are irrelevant without considering reproduced images, whether litho, print, or monitor display. And the qualities of all those reproductions depend on skill as much as upon technology. Photographers make images, not "image data." Grain was traditionally addressed in wet darkrooms by grain dissolving developers such as D23, and by diffusion enlargers. Honorable, beautiful methodology for people who liked grainless images. I preferred point light source, or at least optically coated Durst condenser enlargers with glass carriers in the wet darkroom. That's simply another approach, entailing different/equal skills. My work showed sharp grain because I wanted to show it, was skilled enough to show it sharply. Ansel's students didn't want to show it, were taught how to avoid it: Skills that are just as applicable today, with scanners, as they were in Ansel's day. Human skills are crucial to photography. Digital technology is not crucial to photography. Grain is controllable by skill.
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