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Article #497Re: was ISO Documents Cause OSI Failure?
From: Jon Crowcroft
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 08:30
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 08:30
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I'm interested in why the whole area of standards is so gothic anyhow... most the western world is enganged in a move away from monopolies, state intervention etc and yet ISO represents one of the most central repositories for standards around contrast with the far more distributed approach of de facto standards (e.g. internet, dare i say...) i think until proper competition is introduced, and open peer technical review, and discursive definition of standards as opposed to the current hierarchical approach and dry post facto presentation style of most full standard documents... i know we can put anyone up to attend standards meetyings (and myu community, UK academics, does) - however, trying to pursuade anyone really good from the technical world to go for any length of time results in cries of "oh mi gawd, no, anything to avoid that political quagmire" in fact, i believe that the "internatinal standards" in general and "open systems" in particular have almost exact opposite effects from the original supposed intentions - they result in deliberate obfuscation by any companies with good technical input in an area, as who wants to subvert their own sales they result in zero competition where there is a good standard, and semantic free standards where competition is likely (e.g. just look at MPEG - deliberately avoids defining strict coding rules, since thats where different companes will achieve an edge in performance/quality...ends up underspecifying things...) as for document availability, i don't object to copyright and so forth to protect costs, but there is legal recourse rather than simple witholding of electronic versions as for the idea of someone altering a standard spec, well that is a very amusing idea - i can see a short term malicisous motivation - i cannot see how changes would persist through any implementation by any responsible company... anyhow, there are technical solutions to that (e.g. issueing one way crypto sums that can be recalculated by people on reciept of document) - see lots of standards work on integrity and privacy in e-mail, document interchange and elctronic funds transfer i mean to say, can you imagine a bank not connecting to swift on the grounds that they might get told wrong numbers by another bank - would last long would they... or Dire Straits not issding an album on DAT on the grunds someonme might alter it subtly to make knoppfler sound like he could play guitar anymore:-) how about some OPTIMISIM in how to do things, with legal redress for when it goes wrong later i spose its too much to ask for - iso is based on levelling down/lowest common denominator almost by defn. jon
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!mcsun!uknet!warwick!nott-cs!ucl-cs!news From: J.Crowcroft@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Jon Crowcroft) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso Subject: Re: was ISO Documents Cause OSI Failure? Message-ID: <2877@ucl-cs.uucp> Date: 21 Aug 92 08:30:31 GMT Sender: news@cs.ucl.ac.uk Lines: 64