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Article #506Re: was ISO Documents Cause OSI Failure?
From: Dirk Husemann
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 11:25
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 11:25
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J.Crowcroft@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Jon Crowcroft) writes: >I'm interested in why the whole area of standards is so gothic >anyhow... Gothic is a nice description of it ... [...] >contrast with the far more distributed approach of de facto standards >(e.g. internet, dare i say...) Wellll, then almost everybody could implement/comment on it, that would be open --- or even worse, people could point out shortcomings/bugs/ fuzziness, we don't want that, right? Also, people would notice that not even members of the same committee are not sure what they're talking about/writing about (one of the best example for obfuscated standard writing is ISO 8348-2 on NSAP address, shudder) Maybe we should propose an International Standard's Obfuscated Standard Writing Contest (ISOSWC), but then we'd be swamped with far too many eligible contestants, right? 8=)/8=( [...] >in fact, i believe that the "internatinal standards" in general and "open >systems" in particular have almost exact opposite effects from the >original supposed intentions - >they result in deliberate obfuscation by any companies with good technical >input in an area, as who wants to subvert their own sales Or by companies with *bad* technical input who want to protect their already established equipment and not spent money on new stuff (X.25 for example could need quite some improvements, X.25/LLC2 likewise 8=( [...] >as for document availability, i don't object to copyright and so forth >to protect costs, but there is legal recourse rather than simple >witholding of electronic versions Hmm, shouldn't standards designed to provide OPEN SYSTEMS be available to everyone who want's to have a look (I'd agree to handling & printing charge, but currently getting ISO docs is almost as expensive as getting drugs - or so they say, I'm not on drugs, rather I'm on ISO docs 8=) [...] >i spose its too much to ask for - iso is based on levelling >down/lowest common denominator almost by defn. yes, sigh ... Dirk ---
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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!math.fu-berlin.de!fauern!fauna!camelot!husemann From: husemann@camelot.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Dirk Husemann) Subject: Re: was ISO Documents Cause OSI Failure? References: <2877@ucl-cs.uucp> Message-ID: <BtHJrB.H50@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Sender: news@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 11:25:59 GMT Lines: 59