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Well we (company i do support for) have a couple of corporate customers that have ATM
to the desktop.... they have boat loads of network problems and both are
planning/moving away from it .... going to ethernet lans with atm backbones.... lots
of problems with software...

Jim

John D Loop wrote:

> Touche, that's easy:
> You just made an argument for ATM to the desktop... [since the WAN was ATM].
> There are those who thot the whole ADSL implementation should have been with an
> ATM NIC - no ethernet!  This was the early preachings of Alcatel.  Unfortunately
> our American (that's us) providers told us that Ethernet had already won the
> desktop war and that nobody was going to buy an ATM NIC card for $300 when they
> could buy an ethernet card for $30.  So there you have it, ethernet in the LAN,
> ATM in the WAN [of course I'm simplifying here], and we will live the consequences
> for probably a generation.  I think Ameritech actually started ADSL with an ATM
> NIC a couple years ago.
> John
>
> Thor Lancelot Simon wrote:
>
> > In article <3A89E8E8.A629D758@mynetwatchman.com>,
> > Lawrence Baldwin  <baldwinlSPAMMENOT@mynetwatchman.com> wrote:
> > >Michael wrote:
> > >>
> > >> "Josh Howlett" <bujfxh@shark.cse.bris.ac.uk> wrote in message
> > >> news:G8prup.GCw@bath.ac.uk...
> > >> | James Carlson <james.d.carlson@sun.com> wrote:
> > >> | > John D Loop <loop@snt.bst.bls.com> writes:
> > >
> > >> |
> > >> | > Looks can be deceiving.  It's trivial to forge packets on PPPoE, and
> > >> | > use these forged packets to highjack user sessions or snipe them out
> > >> | > of existence as long as you have bridging at the Ethernet layer.
> > >
> > >James,
> > >
> > >(Great Book, BTW!)
> > >
> > >With a Redback configuration and PPPoE, you've got a private PVC between
> > >the customer and the Redback...no bridging involved.  Thus, I assume
> > >session hijacking isn't an issue.
> >
> > Uh, excuse me, but if you have a *private PVC*, what's the point of using
> > this garbage *at all*?
> >
> > --
> > Thor Lancelot Simon                                           tls@rek.tjls.com
> >     And now he couldn't remember when this passion had flown, leaving him so
> >   foolish and bewildered and astray: can any man?
> >                                                    William Styron
>
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> "I don't, of course - who can? And it makes me sorry.  I can't read fiction
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