🚀 go-pugleaf

On Mon 25 Feb 2008 05:34:57, pg <penang@catholic.org> wrote: 
>> 
>> The bumiputra policy favoring the frequently idle Malays is unjust 
>> but it may be the price one has to pay to avoid race riots again. 
> 
> If the descendants of the black slaves of America bought into your 
> theory, dear sir, then there would still be black slaves in
> America. 
> 
> Thanks God that there are people like Martin Luther King that dare
> to stand up against injustice. Yes, he paid the ultimate sacrifice
> for what he believed in it, but the reward he got, that today in
> America, there's no more race-segregation nor race-separation.
> Plus, you can count Obama's race for the presidency of America as a
> bonus of Mr. King's effort. 
> 
> Thanks God that in this world, not many people subscribe to your
> way of thinking. 

pg, this is all a bit off topic in these newsgroups so we should not 
extend our discussion any more thannecessary.  I would just say that 
I'm very supportive of the Chinese minority in Malaysia.  However one 
has to remain sensitive to the fact that the 51% native Malays have 
become almost outnumbered by the vast number of immigrants.

Yes, there is horrible outright discrimination of non-Malays but the 
alternative may be a very messy punch up over who actually runs 
Malaysia - the original ethinic people or the immigrants.  Do not 
misunderstand me, Bumi-preference is very wrong.  The Bumis are very 
privileged but so breathtakingly idle such that many are still 
economically and educationally backward.  However, in a nasty punch 
up like in the 60s I don't think the Bumi's are going to lose.


>> Mahathir may be corrupt and have a very loud unsmiling mouth but
>> he has brought a lot of prosperity to Malaysia. 
> 
> Do you know that you are contributing to the spread of a false
> legend? 
> 
> Mahathir was just lucky. He became the PM of Malaysia at a time
> when the foreign monies were knocking at the door. 
> 
> Even if the PM of Malaysia at that time was a dumbest monkey in the 
> universe, Malaysia would have enjoyed an economic boom also. 
> 

Mahathir is a thug.  And also a dictator.  He was lucky.  Very lucky 
indeed.  But let's not deny that he brought a great deal more 
prosperity than anyone ever imagined possible.  I did not believe 
many of his economic policies would work at all (and many of his 
claimed attributions weer lies).  But to Mahathir's credit they 
actually did.  At least he's a competent dictator, which isn't saying 
much.

What's more, Mahathir has a bit too much of a mouth on him and he has 
always overplayed his anti-western rhetoric way too much for my own 
liking.

 
>> I hope you mentioned Anwar Ibrahim. 
>> 
> Why should I mention Anwar? He is one of "them" who oppresses the
> non-bumis. 

Two wrongs do not make a right.  Anwar was imprisoned, brutally 
handled and obviously false charges brought in show trials.  You may 
hate Anwar but that does not mean you should deny what Mahathir and 
his thugs did against Anwar was wrong.  Do not fall into the trap 
that such things are wrong only when it happens against people whom 
you consider to be "good".

Let's wrap this exchange up soon.