🚀 go-pugleaf

On Feb 26, 3:37 am, Franklin <no_u...@www.invalid> wrote:
> On Mon 25 Feb 2008 05:34:57, pg <pen...@catholic.org> wrote:
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> >> The bumiputra policy favoring the frequently idle Malays is unjust
> >> but it may be the price one has to pay to avoid race riots again.
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> > If the descendants of the black slaves of America bought into your
> > theory, dear sir, then there would still be black slaves in
> > America.
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> > Thanks God that there are people like Martin Luther King that dare
> > to stand up against injustice. Yes, he paid the ultimate sacrifice
> > for what he believed in it, but the reward he got, that today in
> > America, there's no more race-segregation nor race-separation.
> > Plus, you can count Obama's race for the presidency of America as a
> > bonus of Mr. King's effort.
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> > Thanks God that in this world, not many people subscribe to your
> > way of thinking.
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> pg, this is all a bit off topic in these newsgroups so we should not
> extend our discussion any more thannecessary.  I would just say that
> I'm very supportive of the Chinese minority in Malaysia.  However one
> has to remain sensitive to the fact that the 51% native Malays have
> become almost outnumbered by the vast number of immigrants.
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> Yes, there is horrible outright discrimination of non-Malays but the
> alternative may be a very messy punch up over who actually runs
> Malaysia - the original ethinic people or the immigrants.  Do not
> misunderstand me, Bumi-preference is very wrong.  The Bumis are very
> privileged but so breathtakingly idle such that many are still
> economically and educationally backward.  However, in a nasty punch
> up like in the 60s I don't think the Bumi's are going to lose.
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> >> Mahathir may be corrupt and have a very loud unsmiling mouth but
> >> he has brought a lot of prosperity to Malaysia.
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> > Do you know that you are contributing to the spread of a false
> > legend?
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> > Mahathir was just lucky. He became the PM of Malaysia at a time
> > when the foreign monies were knocking at the door.
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> > Even if the PM of Malaysia at that time was a dumbest monkey in the
> > universe, Malaysia would have enjoyed an economic boom also.
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> Mahathir is a thug.  And also a dictator.  He was lucky.  Very lucky
> indeed.  But let's not deny that he brought a great deal more
> prosperity than anyone ever imagined possible.  I did not believe
> many of his economic policies would work at all (and many of his
> claimed attributions weer lies).  But to Mahathir's credit they
> actually did.  At least he's a competent dictator, which isn't saying
> much.
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> What's more, Mahathir has a bit too much of a mouth on him and he has
> always overplayed his anti-western rhetoric way too much for my own
> liking.
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> >> I hope you mentioned Anwar Ibrahim.
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> > Why should I mention Anwar? He is one of "them" who oppresses the
> > non-bumis.
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> Two wrongs do not make a right.  Anwar was imprisoned, brutally
> handled and obviously false charges brought in show trials.  You may
> hate Anwar but that does not mean you should deny what Mahathir and
> his thugs did against Anwar was wrong.  Do not fall into the trap
> that such things are wrong only when it happens against people whom
> you consider to be "good".
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> Let's wrap this exchange up soon.



I thank you for your reply, but gotta point out some factual errors in
your message, namely ..

      The Malays are NOT the indigenous people of Malaysia.

      The TRUE indigenous people of Malaysia are the Orang Asli.

The fact is that the REAL indigenous people are not counted as
"bumputras", while the FAKE one, the Malays, are bumiputras. Here lies
the problem !!

I, and MANY, MANY non-bumis in Malaysia, have NO PROBLEM in having a
bumiputra policy if the bumiputras are the Orang Asli. After all, this
is THEIR LAND. The Chinese, along with the Malays and the Indians, are
all descendants of immigrants.

The bumiputra policy was copied from America's Affirmative Action,
wherein the weak, the underprivileged, the minorities get help from
Affirmative Action.

But on the other hand, in Malaysia, the AA concept was turned totally
upside-down. It is used to help the FAKE indigenous, the Malays, who
compost of 36% of the population.

The real number of Malays in Malaysia is 36% of the total population,
NOT 51% ! The regime that controls Malaysia currently plays fast and
loose with numbers, and they include people from Sarawak and Sabah
(Kadazan, Dusuns, et cetera), who are definitely NOT Malays, as
Malays.

Although the indigenous people of Sabah and Sarawak are counted as
bumiputras, they NEVER get to enjoy the privileges of bumiputras,
unlike the Malays.

You see, this is how the Malaysian government is doing - they have a
bumiputra policy, so to give themselves, the Malays, all kinds of
unfair privileges -

    Such as a discount on house purchase
            Can you believe that filthy rich Malays purchase houses
worth TENS OF MILLIONS,
            still get a discount, while poor Indians, purchasing
houses woth tens of thousands,
            can never get any discount ?? )

    Such as enrollment into higher learning institutes
            Can you believe that a Malay students who can't even pass
any exam can enroll
            into universities while a Kadazan (also counted as a
bumiputra) with an excellent
            score is NOT allowed to study in the same university ?

It's all a trick. The bumiputra policy is structured in such a way
that it only benefits the Malays. It won't benefit the REAL indigenous
people, such as the Orang Asli.

BTW, do you know that the vast majority of Orang Asli are still living
inside jungle? They are still living in area with no electricity, no
pipe water, nothing?

Do you know that the average life expectancy of the Orang Asli is in
the 40's? Yes, in this age and time, people are dying in their 40's
and they are the descendants of the TRUE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE of
Malaysia !!

Horrible outright discrimination to non-Malays is one thing, horrible
outright discrimination to the Orang Asli is another ! For if Malaysia
truly believes in the bumiputra policy, that is, to give privilege to
the REAL INDIGENOUS PEOPLE so that they can get live better, then the
bumiputra policy should be changed in ONE SIMPLE ASPECT -

    To declare that the Malays are NOT bumiputra and the Orang Asli,
on the other hand, are!

The Chinese people, as well as the Indian people would be very
supportive of such policy. We have no objection to a policy that gives
privileges to the descendants to the REAL OWNER of the land we live
in.

However, we would object to a FALSE policy that will only benefit the
Malays, who themselves are the same as the Chinese and Indians, are
descendants of IMMIGRANTS !

About Mahathir

Mahathir is not only a thug, he is a TERRORIST !

Mahathir bin Mohammad supports Al Queda !

Do you know the 9-11 bombing of the twin-towers in NYC ?

Before the bombing, Al Queda had a meeting. All the heads of the Al
Queda terrorist group came to Kuala Lumpur, the capital of Malaysia,
and had a meeting.

The topic of their discussion is the 9-11 bombing !

They ironed out all the details of the bombing, including who to sent,
who to lead, how to do it, what's the target, and so on, and so forth.

And I am not making this up ! In fact, the CIA - yes, the Central
Intelligent Agency - of the United States of America, did know of the
meeting, and had secretly taped the conversations between the heads of
the Al Queda terrorist groups while they were in Kuala Lumpur !

Of all the cities in the world, why Al Queda chose Kuala Lumpur as
their meeting place? The answer is simple, they got Mahathir as their
supporter !

Mahathir not only support Al Queda in spirit, he supports Al Queda in
military training, in arms smuggling, in money laundering, and so on.

In fact, in the state of Kedah, the state where Mahathir came from,
there was a shrimp farm owned by non-other than Osama bin Laden ! The
shrimp farm is now closed, due to bad management.

And to attribute Mahathir for the development of is akin to attribute
Osama bin Laden for the re-building of the Twin Tower site in the
NYC !!

Malaysia boomed during the 80's. That was the time huge amounts of
monies were flowing out of America, Japan and Europe, looking for some
new places to invest, and at that time, China hasn't really opened up
yet.

So the monies flowed to countries in the South East Asia region.

Almost all the countries in the SEA region benefited tremendously from
the huge amount of FDI. Singapore, Thailand, the Philippines,
Malaysia, Indonesia, even Hong Kong and Macao, got one huge investment
after another !

Malaysia wasn't the only country experiencing the economic boom at
that time.

That is why I said, in my previous message, even if you put the
dumbest monkey in the universe as the Prime Minister of Malaysia,
Malaysia would STILL be having an economic boom !!

Mahathir was just lucky, that's all !

Please do not attribute too much good things to Mahathir. This guy is
a disaster to all !

He supports terrorism. He is a racist. He hates everybody except his
own Muslims. He is the head of a systemic corrupted regime. Under his
"tutelage", Malaysia suffered uncountable financial lost.

Today, Malaysia is STILL suffering. We got hundreds of WHITE ELEPHANT
PROJECTS everywhere. From HUGE STADIUMS that are collapsing to VACANT
PORTS that lie vacant since they were built.

All these white elephants are the result of Mahathir's corruption
scheme - in the name of "developing the country", he wasted BILLIONS
of tax payers' money in building these OVERPRICED and totally
unnecessary structures. The fact that the stadiums are collapsing is
because they are poorly built. The fact that the ports are still
vacant is because there simply is no need for them to begin with.

The biggest failure of the world today is the election of George W.
Bush as the president of the United States. George W. Bush isn't only
a lousy president, he is also not able to root out the REAL CAUSE of
WORLD-WIDE ISLAMIC TERRORISM - guys like Mahathir bin Mohammad ought
to have been apprehended long time ago for his support of Al Queda,
but till today, Mahathir is still free.

The military of Malaysia has been used to train a lot of the
terrorists. Terrorists that are still operating in southern Thailand,
southern Philippines, Indonesia, were trained by the Malaysian army.

The terrorists were trained on how to make bombs, they were also
trained in electronics so that they know how to convert cell-phone as
the remote detonator for their road side bombs. The terrorists also
received jungle survival traning, guerrilla tactics, and so on.

We know all that because we know WHICH army camps the terrorists got
their training !

If people such as me, a civilian, can know about the location of army
camps whereby the terrorists from Al Queda and the Islamic Jemiah
received their traning, surely spy agencies such as the Central
Intelligent Agency, with all their sophisticated gadgetries, ought to
have MORE on this.

But do you see any action from George W. Bush ?

Other than attacking Iraq and killing Saddam Hussein, whom by the way,
was OPPOSED to the Al Queda movement, what else can George W. Bush
do ?

Why is Mahathir bin Mohammad not arrested yet ? Why is people from
UMNO not arrested yet? Why is UMNO not declared a terrorist cell?

Why?

And on the other hand, false propaganda still flows from Malaysia to
the world, telling the world that Mahathir is such a great guy,
without him Malaysia wouldn't have developed.

All these are propagandas by UMNO.

Malaysia would developed, with or without UMNO. The fact is that
Malaysia, as well as Singapore, were colonies of the British Empire.
When the Brits left, they left behind a very well structured system of
law, and a lot of educated people.

The rise of Singapore ought not be viewed as a miracle, because
Singapore benefited tremendously from what they got from Britain. So
is Malaysia.

Plus, the Brits also imported the Indians and the Chinese into both
Singapore and Malaysia. These two groups of immigrants are famous for
their hard works, for their resiliency, and for their ability to
survive under ALL conditions.

With the Indians and the Chinese, Malaysia would have boomed, with or
without UMNO, with or without Mahathir. That's a fact !

I understand that this is a totally off-topic message in these
newsgroups, but I need to tell you the real truth, or the insidious
propaganda from UMNO would have spread through these newsgroups as
well.

About Anwar. What happened between Anwar and Mahathir, is between
Anwar and Mahathir. No more, no less.

And as I have pointed out to you, Anwar isn't that better than
Mahathir either.

The only difference between Anwar and Mahathir is that Anwar got a
"second life", so to speak. After been severely and unfairly punished
by Mahathir, he got the support from the US, and right now he is
"turning a new leaf", so to speak, in the way he talk, act, et cetera.

But deep down inside .... who can understand what Anwar truly wants?

What's between Anwar and Mahathir ought to stay that way. Let them
fight it out. Don't involve the people into this, and don't drag the
entire country of Malaysia into their pitiful fight.