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Article #104Biological Plausibility (was Re: 6 legged beast)
From: Christopher Ian Connolly
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1992 22:30
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1992 22:30
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In article <1992Jul31.232606.5964@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>, rwmurphr@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Robert W Murphree) writes: >But my opinion is they don't really understand the brain, bugs or humans >very well anyway. But this begs the question: Why, then, would one expect to find a "neurobiology of arthropods for roboticists" textbook? >Bug behavior is simple enough that it seems to be >simulatable by modern control theory and computer hardware. Without a clear view of the neural substrates of insect behavior, what are you really simulating? The most you can say is "See, my robot acts a bit like a cockroach." -- not a very impressive statement. My opinion is that before one can say things like "robotic insect", one is obligated to provide some sort of clear model which explains *why* the thing should be regarded as insect-like. >The same cannot, in my opinion be said about anything vaguely >mammalian that has to do with the brain... Can you clarify this? I can think of several researchers who have fairly specific things to say about mammalian behavior and its neural origins [1-3]. Alexander & co. at Emory have an interesting "multiple motor loops" picture of cortex, basal ganglia, and thalamus in mammals [4] that could provide fuel for a robotic analogue. I don't dispute the notion that mammals are murky, but they're not so baffling as to warrant our complete neglect! (and I think this echoes the view that Ron Arkin posted here not too long ago.) >A detailed model of cockroach neurons has already been used ... Sounds vaguely familiar. Do you have a reference for this? ----References: [1] Kalaska JF, Crammond DJ, (1992) "Cerebral cortical mechanisms of reaching movements", Science 255:1517-1523. [2] Diamond A, ed., (1990) The Development and Neural Bases of Higher Cognitive Functions, Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences v. 608. Diamond is a psychologist, but both she and Patricia Goldman-Rakic are particularly good about tying primate behavior down to its neural bases. [3] Moll L, Kuypers HGJM, (1977), "Premotor cortical ablations in monkeys: contralateral changes in visually guided reaching behavior", Science, 198:317-319. [4] Alexander GE, Crutcher MD, (1990), "Functional architecture of basal ganglia circuits: neural substrates of parallel processing", Trends in Neurosciences 13(7):266-271. -- - - - - - - - Christopher Ian Connolly connolly@cs.umass.edu Laboratory for Perceptual Robotics wa2ifi University of Massachusetts at Amherst Amherst, MA 01003
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!ogicse!uwm.edu!caen!nic.umass.edu!dime!rabbit.cs.umass.edu!connolly From: connolly@rabbit.cs.umass.edu (Christopher Ian Connolly) Newsgroups: comp.robotics Subject: Biological Plausibility (was Re: 6 legged beast) Summary: Spoken like a true mammal! Keywords: mammals, brains, robots, ganglia, twitch, overthruster Message-ID: <51292@dime.cs.umass.edu> Date: 3 Aug 92 22:30:25 GMT Article-I.D.: dime.51292 References: <1992Jul28.233010.11281@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> <51096@dime.cs.umass.edu> <1992Jul31.232606.5964@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> Sender: news@dime.cs.umass.edu Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Lines: 59