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Article #107Re: Cuervo, I disagree: ShareSniffer Released
From: John Navas
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:04
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:04
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In <jdnj9tgs2gv8eaqjmdj0l49rfkp8uv2nnn@4ax.com>, rtoledo@gte.net wrote:
>On Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:52:36 GMT, John Navas
><spamfilter@navasgrp.dublin.ca.us> wrote:
>
>>>Yes there are. Many people run FTP services on their machines and allow
>>>anonymous logins. They want to share programs and files. How do you find
>>>these servers? By scanning a range of IP numbers for open port 21.
>>
>>No you don't (assuming you have legitimate motives). You look for
>>published invitations. There are well-established mechanisms for this.
>
>how by spamming NEWS groups?
More likely by posting the invitation on a public web page.
>how does a person find those machines?
You find out that you are invited to use my services in much the same
way that you find out you are invited to enter my house. If you don't
get an invitation, then you aren't invited. That may be frustrating for
you, but that's how it works.
>>You are effectively saying that the owner is responsible for the
>>burgling of his home if he accidentally leaves the back door unlocked.
>>That's blaming the victim. Do you also blame rape victims for
>>provocative behavior? Sorry, but I just don't buy it.
>
>you continue to use analogies that are not relevant or even close
We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this.
>the point is the server is on a open network to the whole world and
>the fact it is a server is by default "serving" a set of features to
>one and all, otherwise they use names and passwords,
Nope. Leaving my doors unlocked is likewise not authorization for
strangers to enter at will.
>this is why they
>have a \pub folder too and \incoming \outgoing folders
Depends on the server. I know of lots of servers with such folders
(directories) where the servers are not open to the general public.
With all due respect, you put way too much stock in relatively
meaningless defaults and conventions.
--
Best regards,
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/>
CABLE MODEM/DSL GUIDE: <http://Cable-DSL.home.att.net/>
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