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Re: Cuervo, I disagree: ShareSniffer Released

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From: Zadig
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 02:18
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In article <s5Qm6.4721$S25.67862@typhoon.sonic.net>,
 John Navas <spamfilter@navasgrp.dublin.ca.us> wrote:

> The service may or may not respond that way -- that's an error
> condition, so behavior is undefined.  There is no legitimate purpose
> that a FIN probe serves; better firewalls block them.  (Mine both blocks
> and logs them, alerting me to repeated probes within a given time
> window.)

[snip]

> A FIN probe is almost certainly a part of an attempted attack.

No, any port scan can be used for legitimate reasons (to probe my own or 
an authorized network for weaknesses) or for cracking purposes. Moral 
absolution only makes a person look close-minded.

I mentioned a FIN scan because your contention that port scans should be 
illegal because they somehow connect to an open service doesn't apply to 
FIN scans -- don't make a connection, but detect an open port anyway.

It's a ridiculous argument regardless... Port scanning does no harm, and 
should therefore not be illegal, any more than checking out the security 
at your bank does harm, nor is it illegal. You can enter the bank and 
ask the guard about their security, and even check out the security 
cameras and door sensors up close, and you can't be busted. Use the 
information you gather for malicious behavior, however, and you go to 
jail, as you should. Use the information to satisfy your own curiosity, 
or research, for example, and no harm is done.

If you make laws against actions that do no harm simply because they may 
lead to harm, you undermine the law and change nothing of people's 
behavior. It's a waste of time and law enforcement resources.
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Subject: Re: Cuervo, I disagree: ShareSniffer Released
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