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Article #150Re: Cuervo, I disagree: ShareSniffer Released
From: randy c ford
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 22:55
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 22:55
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Harry Lime wrote: > > My telephone is connected to a global telephone network too. Should we > make telephone tapping legal for all and sundry? Port scanning is more akin to trying phone numbers to see if someone will answer them than like tapping the lines. It's not illegal for me to try to call a phone number to see if it works. (That's the "attempting to connect" people here have been taking about.) However, if I'm calling to see if you are gone so I can break in, then it is illegal and is a separate crime from the actual breaking and entry. Intent is everything. There is also a big difference between calling a number (pinging) and calling a lot of numbers (scanning.) If I call your phone once and say "Sorry, wrong number," you won't get action by complaining to the phone company. If I call you several times a day and say "Sorry, wrong number," you can get action. I heard that the phone companies have systems to detect people calling blocks of numbers scanning for open modems. That would get the phone companies attention; however, if it was someone phone soliciting, it wouldn't get them disconnected. If they were doing this to solicit for a business from a residential line, they may be in violation of their contract with the phone company. Someone looking in a store front when the store is closed may constitute reasonable suspicion for questioning or even a search; however, it isn't a crime itself. Neither is trying to open the front door to see if the store is open. I've accidentally walked into a closed store because the people didn't lock the door when they left. It triggered the alarm. I waited for the police to tell them what happened. Even if I had left, I wouldn't have committed a crime. Intent is everything. I've tried to connect to sites via ftp when I had difficulty getting a file from their web server. In every case, this was for files that I believed I was "authorized" to have. It was just difficult for some reason to get the file from the web. When I try to get an ftp server, I may try several addresses before I get one that works. Sometimes www.x.com works, sometimes ftp.x.com, sometimes something else. I would call that "port scanning," since I am hitting the same port on possibly several machines, or maybe hitting the same port on the same machine multiple times. So, I was "port scanning," but for legitimate reasons. Again, intent is everything. When I have a URL to a web page, but intentionally omit the file name to try to get a higher-level page or a listing of the directory contents, am I performing an act that you deem should be illegal? For example, if I have an off site link to "http://www.x.com/~user/weather/map.jpg", and I try "http://www.x.com/~user/weather" to see if there is "wider" content available, do your think I am doing something wrong? My opionion: "port scanning" may constitute suspicious activity, but unless a criminal intent can be proven, it is not a criminal act. -- randy c ford randy@null.net
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