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Article #165Re: Cuervo, I disagree: ShareSniffer Released
From: Rebeccah Prastein
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 02:50
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 02:50
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In article <2Pim6.4080$S25.61820@typhoon.sonic.net>, spamfilter@navasgrp.dublin.ca.us says... > I'd guess that, in my neck of the woods at least, a video of someone > trying to open all the doors in the neighborhood would be considered > "evidence of 'intent' necessary to prosecute." I'd even hazard a guess > that it would be in your neck of the woods as well. ;-) > Quite possibly so. But in residential neighborhoods, most homes have functioning doorbells, and in commercial districts, most businesses have identifying signs indicating what their business is. If all the buildings (commercial and residential alike) looked the same, displaying only their street addresses and entrance numbers, and if there were no doorbells, then it might look less suspicious for someone walking down the street to try all the doors. Depends on what the normative behavior is, of course, and that is to some degree what is being discussed here. If, in this hypothetical neighborhood, people didn't simply walk the street doing the equivalent of window-shopping (because there are no windows to shop unless one opens a door, and it is socially unacceptable to open a door uninvited), then that's one thing. Then it wouldn't be too hard to pass an ordinance outlawing "scanning" the doors to buildings. Such behavior would be assumed to have no useful purpose. But if a sizeable number of people can't be persuaded to give up window-shopping, and a sizeable number of neighborhood merchants rely on window-shopping behavior to draw customers, and most residents are unaware that people are wandering around their living rooms looking for the checkout counter (or for a really appealing CD collection to copy), then that's something else. You'll have a hard time passing the ordinance, because so many people don't see anything wrong with window-shopping, and because you never know when they might want to go door-to-door selling Girl Scout cookies. I'm not sure which side I'm arguing for. But I think the situation here is that there is a vocal group that like window-shopping and similar activities that do not involve picking out a specific place to visit ahead of time (not sure what the size of the group is), an overlapping group that want to provide this type of window-shopping experience for others without having to pay for advertising (or maybe even for a business license), lots of people who are completely unaware of the traffic in and out of their living rooms, and a growing number of crooks taking advantage of the situation, committing burglary and vandalism, and running their operations out of innocent peoples' living rooms. Rebeccah
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f922c,b3c453f70036b961 X-Google-Attributes: gidf922c,public X-Google-Thread: 10090f,b3c453f70036b961 X-Google-Attributes: gid10090f,public X-Google-Thread: 113850,b3c453f70036b961 X-Google-Attributes: gid113850,public X-Google-Thread: f5dc1,b3c453f70036b961 X-Google-Attributes: gidf5dc1,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-02-25 18:54:38 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!supernews.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Rebeccah Prastein <rhp@fgi.net> Newsgroups: comp.security.firewalls,bellsouth.net.security,comp.dcom.xdsl,comp.dcom.modems.cable Subject: Re: Cuervo, I disagree: ShareSniffer Released Message-ID: <MPG.15036433d3d994679896fe@news.earthlink.net> References: <3A966412.9336DCD8@mynetwatchman.com> <1orc9t0dblf72e35c9vvjj562kfff17vmm@can.gov> <OTul6.2816$L04.327284@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <jtvl6.1306$aA5.364833@typhoon2.ba-dsg.net> <3a9998a5.148252645@news.lig.bellsouth.net> <uihm6.4071$S25.61539@typhoon.sonic.net> <MPG.15035143dcc3599896fb@news.earthlink.net> <2Pim6.4080$S25.61820@typhoon.sonic.net> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 Lines: 53 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 02:50:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 158.252.240.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 983155800 158.252.240.95 (Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:50:00 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:50:00 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net