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Re: Warning: ShareSniffer Released

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From: Paul Newhouse
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 05:41
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In article <C6km6.4107$S25.62260@typhoon.sonic.net>,
	John Navas <spamfilter@navasgrp.dublin.ca.us> writes:
> [POSTED TO comp.dcom.modems.cable; PLEASE REPLY THERE]
> 
> In <RTjm6.27429$5M5.1720979@news1.frmt1.sfba.home.com>,
> rockhead.com@bigbox.wan.vpn (Paul Newhouse) wrote:
> 
>>In article <c1hm6.4067$S25.61442@typhoon.sonic.net>,
>>	John Navas <spamfilter@navasgrp.dublin.ca.us> writes:
> 
>>> 2.  Your injuries in the event of an accident tend to be more severe if
>>> you are not wearing belts, 
>>
>>Yes.
>>
>>> which puts an increased burden on public resources 
>>> (ambulance, hospital, etc.).
>>
>>This is only a problem if the number of accidents requires more resources
>>than are available.  Natural disasters are a candidate for this, but not
>>the average number of traffic accidents.
> 
> I respectfully disagree -- what matters is the increase in demand for
> public services.  There are no unused/free services.

Free no. Unused much of the time. Parking spots aren't "free", but have
large amounts of time spent "unused".
 
>>The financials of this are related to unisured motorists.
> 
> It seems to me that the issue of insurance pertains primarily to care
> after emergency treatment.  The cost of police and emergency services is
> mostly paid for by the public.  Even in the case of insurance, costs may
> exceed coverage limits, which again falls on the public.

Your examples were "(ambulance, hospital, etc.)" the last time I was close 
enough to an accident to see the paperwork the ambulance service and the
hospital were charging quite a bit against the insurance coverage.

> This wouldn't be an issue if people could opt out of all public
> services, but of course that isn't practical.  "Hey, Joe, he's got one
> of those opt out license plates, so just leave him in the burning car!"
> ;-)
> 
>>> (2) unauthorized scanning has no legitimate purpose; 
>>
>>Some examples of "authorized" scanning, please.
> 
> Scanning my own computers to test for vulnerabilities.

Ok, except for self abuse can you think of any (hiring someone to abuse
is still self abuse ;).

Paul
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From: rockhead.com@bigbox.wan.vpn (Paul Newhouse)
Subject: Re: Warning: ShareSniffer Released
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