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Article #230Re: Warning: ShareSniffer Released
From: Masked Phrogg
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 03:42
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 03:42
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On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 08:45:37 -0500, "Michael" <mgbaker@bellsouth.net> wrote: >I'm not sure what the remedy is. > Nor does anyone else in this thread. thanx for the input though, a few need to be reminded what us "typical" users are thinking ;-) >I do know that I do not want the government getting involved. > Amen! >For all the analogies to ones house or cars and whatever else scanning and >probing might be compared to, it is not a matter of personal safety or a >threat to ones being. > Xactly! Not w/o choice anyway. There will be those who argue about valuable personal info on the PC. Well, dufus, don't make that data available! If you don't understand how a tool works, why are you using it? >Mr. Navas made a comparison about not having to be an expert in automotives >to drive, and one shouldn't have to be an expert in computers to operate one. >But you know, you do have to take classes on safety and pass tests before you >can get behind that wheel and drive that car. Do people still wreck? Do >people still drive like idiots? Yes. There are tons of laws dedicated to >the vehicle and driving . Most are probably needed. Because this involves >personal safety and others well being. Surfing the net does not. > >When LB first made me aware of Sharesniffer I wondered how it could be legal. >Well, borrowing from others, knocking isn't illegal. Standing on the street >looking at your house isn't illegal. If you don't want me to see you then >close your blinds, or build a wall around your house. > I wondered how anyone could think this scenario would ever be _illegal_ But there will always be a contingent of folks who would rather you did the things they want you to do "for your own good" relax, I'm not preparing to invoke Godwin's Law >If anything should be illegal it would be the application of force and/or fraud and NOTHING else But we must deal with the Real World <ho hum> M Phrogg -=- "I oppose it because I believe individuals need the means to protect their own privacy whether from governments or criminals. We need to find a balance between individual freedom and state authority for (the presumed) general welfare and security. We want security, but there is no security if anyone has too much power." ==Esther Dyson comments to tech.thirsty.com on why the UK's RIP bill is "clueless policy"
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