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> Are we helping to debug, test a product which will be targeted at
> Corporations to monitor and control employee internet habits. Read the
> Zone Labs Statement on True vector Technology and it's message to
> corporations. I have no hidden agenda here, only an interest in the
> truth.



In article <qYBB4.26888$MZ2.380277@news1.wwck1.ri.home.com>,
"WalterS" <walter-salvatore1@home.com> wrote:
> Get off it people! If you don't want to use it, uninstall it and get
on with
> your life! No one is forcing you to use any software you do not want
to.
> I suggest everyone kill filter "Bill" as he seems to have a hidden
agenda
> himself. Could "Bill" possibly be employed by Zonelabs competition? He
does
> seem to like to forge his headers. Example: root@aurate.com,
> root@mediametrix.com, etc, etc. Obviously a Unix\Linux user with
paranoid
> tendencies and low self esteem in need of serious therapy. (That is if
he
> can go out without his foil hat) Run Bill, the Venusians are coming!
They
> want your logon password for the Nudie sites! Run, RUN! ;-)
>
> <root@mediametrix.com> wrote in message
> news:scnvms7ga5n86@corp.supernews.com...
> > I have a few things to say after Alan....
> >
> > Alan Browne <alan.browne@videotron.ca> wrote in message
> > news:38CBD819.34959570@videotron.ca...
> > >
> > > Dear Zone Labs,
> > >
> > > As you know very well, your free product "Zone Alarm" has been
> > > enthusiastically
> > > installed on thousands of PC's to help protect people against
> > > unauthorized intrusion.
> > > This is more important everyday as the number of cable modem
served PC's
> > > in North America
> > > is estimated to have passed the 2 million mark. Add to this the
number
> > > of DSL subscribers
> > > and the benefits of good firewalls "for the masses" cannot be
> > > underestimated.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, there have been a variety of allegations and
questions
> > > surrounding the
> > > "TrueVector" technology inherent to Zone Alarm. This has raised
> > > suspicions that
> > > the product is somehow reporting back private information about
the
> > > "user habits"
> > > of users who have installed this wonderful product.
> > >
> > > I am one of those who has been labeled "paranoid" by several Zone
Alarm
> > > fans.
> > > I am not paranoid. But I am concerned. What I do on the internet
is MY
> > > business,
> > > and nobody else's. If I want to tell you what I do, I'll tell you,
> > > otherwise leave me
> > > alone.
> > >
> > > I am also a fan of Zone Alarm (and I've had the thing for only 18
> > > hours!), but the
> > > allegations, suspicions and questions beg for a simple resolution:
> > >
> > > Would Zone Labs please publicly certify in a letter on the Zone
Labs
> > > website, and
> > > also in the various apropriate newsgroups that Zone Alarm does not
> > > report anything
> > > back to Zone Labs or any other company, agency, person, etc. on
the
> > > contents of the
> > > users system that could in anyway be construed as private
information,
> > > INCLUDING
> > > information related to the users "internet habits", contents of
files
> > > unrelated to
> > > Zone Alarm, etc. I'll leave it to you and (probably) your lawyers
to
> > > define the exact wording.
> > > But get this: people want their privacy RESPECTED in all manners.
> > >
> > > In fact, if you were to make such a statement while simultaneously
> > > introducing a price
> > > for this LEAN, effective and professional product, I would be
among the
> > > first in a line
> > > of thousands to purchase a licence.
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > > Alan Browne.
> > >
> >
> > **************************************
> > from: http://www.zonelabs.com/truevector_overview.htm
> >
> > "Monitor and log Internet activity on individual PCs, enabling your
> > application to implement panel metering, audience measurement and
usage
> > reporting, stored in an object-oriented database."
> >
> > <<<<Ah! there we are, there's the Iamdb.rdb file, which, I now
realise, is
> > actually the Internet Access Monitor Database.... or is it? Perhap's
it's
> > "Internet Audience Measurement Database", sounds like that's up
Media
> > Metrix's street. Or maybe it's.... well, I'll be interested what
they
> > eventually come up with to make it sound okay>>>>>
> >
> > read the rest yourself at the URL given above, and what about this
from:
> > http://www.zonelabs.com/truevector_benefits.htm
> > "Developers can now create state-of-the-art, intelligent Internet
> > applications that monitor personal computer interaction with the
Internet
> at
> > a granular level. They can use TrueVector to gather detailed data
> >
> > <<<<what was that?? Just let me lift my ear-trumpet to my ear,
didn't
> quite
> > catch that>>>>>
> >
> > about a wide range of Internet activities, and react
> >
> > <<<<<react??????>>>>>
> >
> > according to very specific rules. TrueVector Technology gives
developers
> the
> > power and precision they need."
> >
> > <<<<the power and precision they need for *what*? This was not
written for
> > US, the humble punter, this is for THEM, Zone Lab's partners in.....
oh,
> the
> > word escapes me>>>>
> >
> > and now, from: http://www.zonelabs.com/truevector_monitoring.htm
> > "Monitoring Internet Access
> > TrueVector Technology enables developers to create applications to
monitor
> > and control Internet activity on individual PCs."
> >
> > <<<<open sesame to your PC for "developers">>>>>>
> >
> > *********************
> > I have since found another uninstalled TrueVector file,
vsdata95.vxd, so
> add
> > that to the list. Some people say this is all just paranoia, other
people
> > are concerned and feel they have been deceived. That's how I feel,
the
> > latter. I see there is now a page up at the Zone Labs site
explaining what
> > TrueVector files are put on your PC. They say: "If you want to
> double-check
> > the work of the uninstaller, or if you suspect you may have a broken
> > installation/uninstallation, this document contains the complete
list of
> > files and registry entries to check. The uninstaller should remove
all of
> > the ZoneAlarm program files. If ZoneAlarm is your only client of the
> > TrueVector Internet monitoring service (this is usually the case,
unless
> you
> > installed Internet Access Monitor), the uninstaller should remove
the
> > TrueVector service files also."
> >
> > Well, in my case it didn't. How about they get their pal Steve
Gibson to
> > design a TrueVector removal application (he must be getting bored
with the
> > Aureate removal tool, he's been working on it so long) rather than
expect
> > you and I to go messing around in our registries and tracking down
and
> > deleting locked DLLs and rdb files. Let's face it, if we're so
stupid (and
> I
> > count myself here as well) as to place our trust in Zone Alarm in
the
> first
> > place then we're really not up to fiddling around in our registries
are
> we?
> >
> > Do you want to know why I think supporters of Zone Alarm are aiming
so
> much
> > flack and ridicule at those who are raising these questions of
TrueVector
> > technology? Because they are starting to realise what fools they've
been,
> > but it just hasn't sunk in yet so they've gone into denial hoping
some
> > "expert" (who is also a fool) will set them right and tell them they
have
> > nothing to worry about. It's one thing to fall for it, it's another
thing
> to
> > insist on staying dumb after the facts emerge and yet another
corporate
> > busybody has been caught in the act of preparing their assault on
our
> > privacy.
> >
> > I personally am glad to be rid of this infestation called
"TrueVector".
> > Others may choose to believe the company line about a "broken
> > uninstallation". Well, in the next few days I'll wager we'll see
what the
> > size of the problem is because I expect there will be quite a few
attempts
> > at uninstallation, if only to see if it works as Zone Alarm says it
should
> > do. Trust your own eyes not the sockpuppets you read here. But at
least
> > you're all a *lot* better informed now eh?
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>


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