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Re: Warning: ShareSniffer Released

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From: Paul Newhouse
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 06:26
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In article <yumm6.4115$S25.62449@typhoon.sonic.net>,
	John Navas <spamfilter@navasgrp.dublin.ca.us> writes:
> [POSTED TO comp.dcom.modems.cable; PLEASE REPLY THERE]
> 
> In <_%lm6.28122$5M5.1736172@news1.frmt1.sfba.home.com>,
> rockhead.com@bigbox.wan.vpn (Paul Newhouse) wrote:
> 
>>In article <C6km6.4107$S25.62260@typhoon.sonic.net>,
>>	John Navas <spamfilter@navasgrp.dublin.ca.us> writes:
> 
>>> I respectfully disagree -- what matters is the increase in demand for
>>> public services.  There are no unused/free services.
>>
>>Free no. Unused much of the time. Parking spots aren't "free", but have
>>large amounts of time spent "unused".
> 
> Emergency services are sized for sufficiency.  More demand means that
> more services have to be provided.  Accidents don't confine themselves
> to slack periods.
> 
>>> It seems to me that the issue of insurance pertains primarily to care
>>> after emergency treatment.  The cost of police and emergency services is
>>> mostly paid for by the public.  Even in the case of insurance, costs may
>>> exceed coverage limits, which again falls on the public.
>>
>>Your examples were "(ambulance, hospital, etc.)" the last time I was close 
>>enough to an accident to see the paperwork the ambulance service and the
>>hospital were charging quite a bit against the insurance coverage.
> 
> I'm talking emergency services.  See below.

You posted:

>2.  Your injuries in the event of an accident tend to be more severe if
>you are not wearing belts, which puts an increased burden on public
>resources (ambulance, hospital, etc.).

And that's what I was responding to.

>>> This wouldn't be an issue if people could opt out of all public
>>> services, but of course that isn't practical.  "Hey, Joe, he's got one
>>> of those opt out license plates, so just leave him in the burning car!"
>>> ;-)
> 
>>>>> (2) unauthorized scanning has no legitimate purpose; 
>>>>
>>>>Some examples of "authorized" scanning, please.
>>> 
>>> Scanning my own computers to test for vulnerabilities.
>>
>>Ok, except for self abuse can you think of any (hiring someone to abuse
>>is still self abuse ;).
> 
> Of course not.  We're on the same page.
 
NOT AGAIN!!

Paul
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From: rockhead.com@bigbox.wan.vpn (Paul Newhouse)
Subject: Re: Warning: ShareSniffer Released
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