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Article #564Re: IBM password
From: Ross Anderson
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 14:40
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 14:40
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In article <1992Oct6.153908.1597@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, I wrote: ||> I looked at what a PC dealer said was the top-selling office automation |> suite. It was called Da Vinci or something like that. Look, it's even |> got DES encryption! |> ................. It takes one password of up to eight |> characters and produces a ciphertext file with visible eight-byte block |> patterns - must be ECB (or something similar but homemade). |> |> Looks like a PC will be enough to do keysearch on this one: just encrypt |> a null string with all the passwords in a dictionary, and sort the list. In article <1992Oct08.185037.113247@watson.ibm.com>, a man from Big Blue (inventors of DES) commented: > Looks like that? OK, try to break it on your PC and post the result (:-). > Now seriously - it's still unfeasible to break on your home PC, > or on your business supercomputer. There still are those 2^56 > space for the key, though that stupid ECB mode definitely > makes it easier for various attacks (and I thought that > nobody is using ECB in the real world :-). Those > patterns you spotted aren't going to help you > much - in order to be able to apply those > you'll have to have more than 2^40 of > those 8-bytes blocks with known > corresponding plaintext (:-). Rubbish. I'm talking keysearch, not differential cryptanalysis! What is the diversity of passwords that people choose? Experience with unix password crackers shows that you can guess a fair number of them by running through a dictionary. The key space is no longer anything like 2^56 - it'll be somwhere between 2^10 and 2^20. You check each guess by encrypting a string of blanks by each trial password until you get the common pattern. In fact, you only have to do these trial encryptions once, and sort and store the result; you can then see at once if a ciphertext was created using any of these passwords by just looking in your list for the common pattern. Reference: A Konheim (another IBM'mer): `Cryptography - A Primer' p 269ff. Moral: having a good encryption algorithm is not enough. You also have to implement it sensibly. In fact, one of the main design weaknesses of IBM's cryptographic products - such as the 3848 - is that designing the cryptographic protocol is left to the user. Even among large sophisticated mainframe sites, the density of people with interest or expertise in cryptography is very low. So you end up with all sorts of horrors. For example, I've seen the master key for an interbank ATM network printed in clear in widely distributed programming documentation; I've come across another IBM site using PCF (the software version of the 3848) where the master keys for the live and test systems were identical - so programmers could work out the personal identification numbers for people's ATM cards on their test rig. If you want to find a bank's PIN check key, then rather than trying 2^56 keys for one bank, you'd almost certainly be better to try a few billion dumb key choices for a large number of banks. How many sites have a PIN check key of aaaabbbb where a and b are distinct bytes, for example? Even if only 5% of the 20,000 banks on worldwide ATM networks are this stupid, it's still 1000 banks whose ATMs you can loot using PC keysearch. If you really want to do an experiment with a PC, that would be a much more interesting attack than trashing Da Vinci. Given that most ATMs nowadays are networked together, it's enough to be able to break a few banks' keys. Ross
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Newsgroups: comp.security.misc,alt.security,sci.crypt Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!pipex!pavo.csi.cam.ac.uk!cam-cl!rja14 From: rja14@cl.cam.ac.uk (Ross Anderson) Subject: Re: IBM password Message-ID: <1992Oct9.144004.19367@infodev.cam.ac.uk> Sender: news@infodev.cam.ac.uk (USENET news) Nntp-Posting-Host: ely.cl.cam.ac.uk Reply-To: rja14@cl.cam.ac.uk (Ross Anderson) Organization: U of Cambridge, England References: <bontchev.717877676@fbihh> <1992Oct5.183322.21035@unislc.uucp> <bontchev.718376938@fbihh> <1992Oct6.153908.1597@infodev.cam.ac.uk> <1992Oct08.185037.113247@watson.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:40:04 GMT Lines: 73