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Re: CERT and the Dept. of Justice on keystr

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From: Matthew Gream
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 10:41
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Paul (Cliffy) Palmer (palmer@Trade_Zone.msfc.nasa.gov) wrote:

: Possibly another helpful analogy to understanding the issue of keystroke
: monitoring is the steps taken by department stores against shoplifters in
: the U.S. (and possibly elsewhere).

: -  Detectors at the exits might be considered as a selective form of
: auditing.  When they go off, they trigger the activity of the
: appropriate security officers, who usually attempt to handle the
: situation politely and discreetly.  They will monitor you until they
: can determine whether you have actually tried to do something illegal.
: Sometimes false alarms do occur and the unfortunate (and usually
: embarrassed) individual is briefly monitored while they demonstrate
: their innocence.

: -  Some stores that have a high incidence of shoplifting occuring
: within the dressing rooms post observers to monitor the dressing rooms
: themselves.  Everyone is scrutinized...the observer pays special
: attention to what goes into the dressing room and what comes out  (this
: may be a little embarassing to the man trying on woman's underwear, but
: he can always shop elsewhere :-) This could be analogous to monitoring
: file activity for sensitive files.

: -  Most stores employ special security officers who patrol the store
: looking for suspicious activity.  Everyone is scrutinized to some
: degree, but the trained officer can generally spot the individuals who
: warrant closer scrutiny.  If he judges that a crime may have taken
: place, he can request that the individual subject their belongings to
: examination and if they refuse he can detain them until the legal
: authorities can be summoned (who will examine their belongings!)  This
: is roughly analogous to keystroke monitoring, when performed
: ethically.

 In all these cases, they do not look through your most personal 
belongings, (unlike capturing your keystrokes). In Australia, at least,
it is policy (though by legislation or a code of ethics developed
by the retail industry, im not sure), that your _personal_ belongings 
cannot be searched (ie, handbags ).
 Im sure that there are other ways to monitor suspicious activity
before resorting to keystroke monitoring of _everyone_'s activities,
and then with sufficient evidence start keystroke monitoring, but even
this should be selective in what it captures.
 If the police know that a burglar lives in your block of flats, they
can watch and monitor to their hearts content, but they _cannot_ intrude
on you unless they have evidence. No matter whether you own  your flat
or you are renting it from the government or you are living on social
benefits from the government.


Matthew.
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Date: 16 Dec 1992 10:41:54 GMT
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