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Re: noecho bug on rlogin from typescript

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From: Nathaniel Borenstein
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1990 22:05
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Tm does indeed work better than typescript for this sort of thing, but
it has other bugs.  I would switch to tm and report all the other bugs,
except that tm is officially not supported by the ITC.  (If I had my
druthers, it would be the other way 'round -- tm is the one to support,
albeit with several improvements!)

I think that the basic typescript model for input-processing is
sufficiently different from tm's that fixing typescript would be a lot
harder than you think, but I'd be delighted to be proven wrong.

Wouldn't it be nice, by the way, if tm were modified so that the
"standout" mode, which is reverse video on most terminals and currently
an italic style in tm, were made something more noticable (e.g. even for
SPACE characters in standout mode), like maybe an underline style? 
That's just one of about twenty tm suggestions that I'd make if it were
a "supported" program...

I have to say, though, that it isn't clear to me that there's a lot of
mileage to be gotten out of improving typescript OR tm.  I mean, does
the world really need a better xterm-type program all that badly? 
Andrew really shines for applications like ez and messages.  Typescript
and tm have some neat features, but I'm not convinced they're worth a
major support effort when resources at CMU are known to be quite limited.

(Now, on the other hand, a real multimedia shell replacement program
would be a very spiffy thing.  To put the example in
UNIX-command-line-terms, I'd like to be able to type (with apologies to
everyone reading this on netnews or otherwise with non-Andrew readers):

% grep [An Andrew ToolKit view (a raster image) was included here, but
could not be displayed.] /u/nsb/.signature


and get the output:

[An Andrew ToolKit view (a raster image) was included here, but could
not be displayed.] [An Andrew ToolKit view (a raster image) was included
here, but could not be displayed.]

Now, try doing that in typescript or tm!  And yes, I recognize that the
whole idea of sticking with UNIX command lines and the "grep" command is
kind of absurd, but this should at least point you in the direction that
a real Andrew-based shell would go!  -- Nathaniel
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