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Article #4Re: Producing competent CS grads (was: Theory and Practice)
From: John Sellers
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 1995 21:18
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 1995 21:18
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I think these things cut both ways...the two edged sword. Here is a few of the best and the worst of my learning experiences. Worst: College Professor, teaching circuit theory, what he taught had nothing to do with the rest of the curriculum or the level of knowledge the students had. His opinion of what the student should know before taking HIS class was completely disjoint from what the students knew actually knew. Next to Worst: Summer course on Engineering statics and dynamics, five days a week at 7AM. Ten minute Pop quiz started class every day. One question on the quiz. Class average for all tests was below 25%. Typical question would be: "Such and such a sphere with such and such rotational speed sliding down incline with such and such coefficient of friction. How far will it slide before it starts rolling without slipping." I never saw such a bunch of demoralized students in my life. Above Average: Compile writer from HP teaching course at local community college teaching advanced Pascal. I took the course because of his technical knowledge. I was experienced in Pascal so I kept asking these leading questions which I knew would expose interesting aspects of language. This would invariably lead other students to get involved. He resented the questions, a dynamic that I had noticed when I came to California and only the past 15 years. Previous to that in Arizona I had never seen a teacher discourage questions. At the end of the semester he mentioned that he thought that the class was the most involved of any he had ever taught. It was obvious he was not aware of the dynamic of the question asking I did and how it simulated the class. Excellent: In my Arizona high school our Algebra II and Trig class consisted of small town kids who had grown up together, started a science club in grade school, and a few of which would come over to my house and Dad would show us stuff in his little chemistry lab or machine shop when we were in grade school. In the Algebra II and Trig class we had a level of excellence that I have never seen since. The class average was 99% and we were competing for first place with averages ranging from 99.5% to 99.8%. The tests and homework was hard. Several of us placed in the top ten in the state wide math contest. One year I placed first in the state. The course was not watered down as you might think from the grades. There were one or two hours of home work almost every night. The standards were pretty tough in the school. When a student came to our schools from California, it was pretty standard that he/she would be put back one grade level. One of the Best: I won't say the best because I can think of many examples of good learning experiences, but a very recent example was at the just completed ParcPlace, Digitalk conference. Steven T. Abell of ParcPlace Systems presented ValueInterface which he designed and built for ParcPlace. His presentation was crystal clear and several participants said it was the best session they had attended at the conference. Among other things, Steve teaches an intermediate course for ParcPlace and does some programming for A.G. The ValueInterface is a very nice little framework for ValueModel.
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!news1.best.com!usenet From: John Sellers <sellers@sellers.com> Newsgroups: comp.software.testing,comp.object,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.lang.c++,comp.edu Subject: Re: Producing competent CS grads (was: Theory and Practice) Followup-To: comp.edu,comp.object,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.software.testing Date: Fri, 04 Aug 95 14:18:16 PDT Organization: BEST Internet (415) 964-2378 Message-ID: <NEWTNews.807575820.3599.sellers@sellers.sellers.com> References: <3v5kev$mve@explorer.csc.com> <3v658u$7qq@sun132.spd.dsccc.com> <3v80d0$n0k@locutus.rchland.ibm.com> <3v8dcn$9lg@sun132.spd.dsccc.com> <3vmcvv$miq@crchh327.rich.bnr.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: sellers.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: NEWTNews & Chameleon -- TCP/IP for MS Windows from NetManage