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In article <3vbhjt$ron@offas_dike.sbil.co.uk>, shepherd@debussy.sbi.com 
says...
>
>In article 843@News1.mcs.net, jim.fleming@bytes.com (Jim Fleming) writes:
>>In article <3v34bt$ebb@offas_dike.sbil.co.uk>, shepherd@debussy.sbi.com 
>>says...
>>>
>>>In article 46g@News1.mcs.net, jim.fleming@bytes.com (Jim Fleming) writes:
>>>
>>>...a few inaccuracies that beg to be corrected:
>>>
>>>>In article <3urhoc$kpu@info1.sdrc.com>, scjones@thor.sdrc.com says...
>>>>
>>>>Is Tom Plum the owner of Plum Hall, Inc. in Hawaii? Does he sell the
>>>>the C++ Standard Class Library source code that Bill (P.J.) Plauger
>>>>has copyrighted in the proposed ANSI C++ Standard?
>>>
>>>Yes, it is the same Tom Plum.  But, note that Plauger's copyrights do
>>>not prevent you or I (or anyone) from developing their own 
implementations
>>>of the standard.  If it did, then everyone developing a C++ compiler--
>>>from Microsoft, to Sun, to Tartan Labs, to GNU--would owe a cut to P. J.
>>>Plauger.  I'm sure any representative of these entities can confirm that
>>>they are not paying Plauger a blessed thing.
>>
>>Do they have to reference the copyright?
>
>No, they do not.
>
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What about Plum Hall, Inc....???

How does their involvement factor into this?

Do they have to pay P. J. Plauger...???

In future versions of Plauger's book will several vendors be listed
as providing the source code...???

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>>Do they have to get permission to use the copyrighted material?
>
>No, they do not.
>
>>
>>If so, is that permission granted freely to everyone?
>
>The permission to develop one's own implementation of the standard
>is indeed granted freely to everyone.  In a similar vein, I believe
>ISO has a standard for the Metric System, and that standard is copyrighted;
>but, you don't have to get permission from them to make your own ruler!
>
>>       If so, what is the purpose of having a copyright?
>
>The copyright protects:
>        1. P.J. Plauger's prose description of the standard library.
>        2. P.J. Plauger's implementation of the standard library.
>
>So, you could not re-use his descriptions or implementation without
>getting his permission or paying him a fee; this is the purpose of
>the copyright.
>
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How much are those fees...???

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>The copyright does not, however, prevent you from developing your own
>implementation of the standard, or from writing your own descriptions
>of it.
>
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Sounds good....(see below)...

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>>BTW, what does the copyright cover?
>>       Class names?
>
>No.
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Good...I also assume that the inheritance hierarchies are not covered..???

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>>       Member function (method) names?
>
>No.
>
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Good...

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>>       Just the documentation?
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>Yes.
>
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OK..So if Plauger says....

	"Instances of the class String are used to represent...."

then, others have to write...

	"The class String supports instances which represent..."

>>
>>Another poster claimed that ANSI and ISO hold the copyright. Has it
>>been transferred?
>
>P.J. Plauger has given ANSI/ISO permission to use some stuff that he
>wrote; they didn't pay him anything for this--and indeed, he should have
>paid *them*, for the publicity of having his name embossed on every copy
>of the standard that gets sold.
>
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How did ANSI decide to provide this "billboard" at no charge...???

Were other class libraries considered...???

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>The copyright hasn't been transferred per se--he is still selling the
>same prose as part of his book, "The Annotated Draft C++ Standard Library."
>But Jim, he doesn't own the class or member names--why can't you get
>that straight???  His copyrights cannot and will not prevent the free
>development of C++ implementations.
>
>
>---
>Marc Shepherd
>Salomon Brothers Inc
>shepherd@schubert.sbi.com       <<These are my opinions, not my 
employer's.>>
>
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I understand your points...I have another question...

If another company or other companies implement the class library
as described in the standard, then can they take advantage of the
free advertising that you noted above and have their names embossed
on each copy of the standard...???

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