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In article <3v8qjg$amq@yage.tembel.org>, shields@tembel.org says...
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>In article <3v4o8p$843@News1.mcs.net>,
>Jim Fleming <jim.fleming@bytes.com> wrote:
>> This is the way the system is supposed to work...it is a simple loop
>> 
>>       Investors -> Business -> Products/Services -> Customers
>>               \_<<___/  \_____<<<< Money $$$$ <<<<<<<___/
>> 
>> The cycle or loop is very simple...
>> 
>> Unfortunately, this loop sometimes has researchers involved...sometimes
>>       there are University professors involved...sometimes there are
>>       government employees involved and politicians...sometimes there
>>       are leaders of tax-exempt "churches" involved...sometimes there
>>       are citizens of one country speaking for another country...and
>>       sometimes there are employees of one company speaking for another
>>       company...
>
>Are you saying that researchers, schools, governments, ministers, and
>representatives of other groups should lead lives totally distinct from
>the "business world"?
>
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Absolutely not...What I am saying is that if a person is going to play
in the business world then they should do so under the terms of the
rules dictated by that world. I have no problem with a professor owning
a company that sells a product or a service, I do have a problem with
a professor who spends time influencing business decisions and THEN
when he/she is asked to be accountable for those actions he/she says...

	"OH...I am just a professor at XYZ institution..."
		"...I am not legally responsible..."

Many people in the business world learn to wear many hats...some teach
part-time, some do government work, and some are ministers...BUT, when
they engage in business activities, the protections of their "institutions"
must be removed...otherwise, we might as well all found "The Church of C++"
and stop paying taxes...let's see...we will need a bible or two...


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>Do you think there is a place for official standards at all?
>

Absolutely....Standards are very important to help society interoperate
more efficiently and to allow us to move forward....in recent times,
it has been defacto standards which seem to have had the most impact...

For some reason, people think that I am opposed to standards...on
the contrary, I would like to see them produced faster and for more
people to participate in the process and for the standards to be more
widely known....

also, if there are a few people that will reap huge financial rewards
from a standard that they developed, then so be it...my only concern
is that I think it should be openly discussed and a well-known fact...
we should encourage everyone to buy their products because that will
cause the market to quickly rally around their solution and they can
use some of the revenue to improve their technology...with software
customers are like shareholders, they all buy a stake or vested interest
in the software and the people that receive the money are encouraged
to continue improving the software/standard...

The case of C++ is an interesting one, I am not against the current
standard...I would just like to see it finished...completed, etc...
Once this occurs then people will want to look at new horizons...it
is sort of like a car dealer that wants to move last years model...
that causes the customers to look at the new models...we have to get
people (especially educators) looking further down the road...C++ has
overwhelmed them with complexity, but delivered very little in terms
of major advacements...there is life after C++...

>If you are not happy with ISO, please propose changes or a replacement.
>-- 
>Shields.

One thing that I propose is that ALL committee interaction be archived
on this newsgroup...once that occursm, then other changes can be proposed...
BTW...let's not focus on bandwidth and disk space cost...if you haven't
noticed...1.2 Gig drives have dropped below $300...as far as I know...one
drive can still hold the DRAFT C++ standard....;+)

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