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> From: jim.fleming@bytes.com (Jim Fleming)
> 
> In article <3vlsbc$1ui@info1.sdrc.com>, scjones@thor.sdrc.com says...
> 
> >I've added
> >parenthetical comments noting official positions held by various people
> >and I've done my best to make sense of the various affiliations listed
> >by the WG14 attendees.  Representatives whose names are in square
> >brackets are people who usually come to meetings but were not in
> >attendence in Denmark.
> 
> Do you suppose the travel costs kept people away...???

Yes they do.  Considering the large number of people in North America
and the desire to make the meetings efficient by ``co-locating'' WG14
and X3J11 meetings, the balance that was struck a couple years ago was
that 1 out of 3 meetings would be held outside North America (the June
meeting) and the other meetings (February and December) would be held
in North America.  These meetings have been planned 2-3 years in advance.
X3J11 members only need to attend 2 of 3 meetings to maintain their
voting status, so they could avoid the meetings outside of the continent.
No balance could be perfect, but this schedule seemed to be the best
for the members (which come from North America, Europe, and Asia).

> 	Are any of those people handicapped...???
> 		would equal access prevent them from attending...???

This would not be a factor.  Virtually all the hotels were accessible
via wheelchairs.  Almost all conferences used rooms that accessible
without
steps, or a wheelchair accessible room was available.  In any case, if
this
this is a problem, it's easily rectified by contacting the meeting host.

> >X3J11 Member            Voting  Representative
> >---------------------   ------  --------------
> >Convex                          [Randy Meyer]
> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Not the same as Randy Meyers below...???
> 	It would be odd if one attended and one did not
> 	if they were the same person...note, that in Chicago
> 	this happens in elections all of the time...but not
> 	in ISO/ANSI...

They are different people.  When they both attend the meeting, we call one
``the singular'' and the other ``the plural'' :-).

> To clarify...voting above gets a Yes if the person has attended 2 of
> the last 3 meetings...???....is that the rule...???

Basically, that is correct.  A voting member can become ineligble if
he/she doesn't respond to several letter ballots (I'm not sure what
the rule is off the top of my head), but this is rarely a factor
considering we have few letter ballots.  Also, you have to pay your
dues (membership: $300, mailing fee: $150 (approx.), international
program fee: $300, total about $750/year).

> >WG14 Member             Representative
> >---------------------   --------------
> >-                       P. J. Plauger (convener)
> >USA                     John Benito
> >                        Tom Plum
> >                        David Keaton
> >                        Frank Farance
> >                        Douglas Walls
> >Denmark                 Peter Cordsen
> >                        Keld Simonson
> >Germany                 Jutta Degener
> >Netherlands(?)          Ed Keizer
> >UK                      Neil Martin
> 
> Did you miss something...???
> 
> 	What is the country for P.J. Plauger....???

The people that are listed next to a country name are the head
of delegation (also known as the International Representative).
Although Bill Plauger is from the US, he doesn't represent the
US nor is he part of the delegation.  He is the Convenor.  His
only (official) responsibility is to assure that meetings are held
and people come to them.  Bill also handles all the administration
tasks (not to mention is technical knowledge and technical
contributions).  Bill does an *excellent* job.  Note that
the Convenor is *not* the chair of the meeting.  An acting chair is
elected at each meeting.

>	Also, P. J. Plauger is not listed in the first list...

I don't think Bill is a member of X3J11.  It is not required that the
Convenor be a member of a national body.  Bill doesn't vote in X3J11
(because he's not a member) nor does he vote in WG14 (because the
Convenor can't also be an International Representative).

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